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24-09-2015, 05:21 AM
"Myth" about Galileo - that the church really wasn't opposed to science
The last few years, I've been hearing a version of the Galileo story I'm not sure is true or not, but at first glance, it makes me feel a little skeptical. People like Dinesh D'Souza or others tell a version of the Galileo story intent to destroy the "myth" that the Catholic Church really wasn't opposed to science of Copernicus and Galileo, but one version of the story is that Galileo got into trouble for basically making fun of the pope indirectly in one of his works

http://www.reformedperspective.ca/compon...alileomyth

Does anyone know how true this "myth debunking" is?
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24-09-2015, 05:49 AM
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About as believable as the "Myth of the Holocaust".


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24-09-2015, 08:32 AM
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His comments about the aristolian view being so firm and evidence they didn't think of the skies roaming around the earth was popular at the time is largely false.

These were the basis's of textbooks and came with other ideas at the time. Authors like Milton even had books printed with these ideas to help explain the cosmological view used in a text that may relate to it. At the time believed in these ideas and he actually was just on that cusp having met Galileo.

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Could there be attitude over scientific proclamations purposes for why he was treated worse than some others. Sure, but it doesn't negate anything they held then or the facts that it wasn't until JohnPaulII in the early 90s that they discussed and absolved Galileo.

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24-09-2015, 08:53 AM
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While it was more political than a lot of latter-day retellings might suggest...

No. Geocentrism was definitely considered a matter of religious doctrine, to which a challenge was naturally heretical.

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24-09-2015, 09:02 AM
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"Sampson clearly works from a perspective that values the historicity and authority of the Bible."

That pretty much sums that up.

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24-09-2015, 01:51 PM
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(24-09-2015 08:53 AM)cjlr Wrote:  While it was more political than a lot of latter-day retellings might suggest...

No. Geocentrism was definitely considered a matter of religious doctrine, to which a challenge was naturally heretical.

What's really mind-boggling is that there are still people who think this way. There is a heated argument going on right now over at Suscipe Domine regarding geocentrism, and the people "in favor" don't care about science at all -- they just find it incomprehensible that God could have led them astray in his inerrant scriptures. What it says in the Bible has to be the absolute truth, because it's the "Word of God", don't you see. They refuse to accept that it could be wrong in any way. And "the Fathers" were all geocentrists. Therefore geocentrism must be correct.

I don't understand how otherwise intelligent people can still be so boneheaded, but there it is in black and white.
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24-09-2015, 01:54 PM
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(24-09-2015 05:21 AM)Learner Wrote:  The last few years, I've been hearing a version of the Galileo story I'm not sure is true or not, but at first glance, it makes me feel a little skeptical. People like Dinesh D'Souza or others tell a version of the Galileo story intent to destroy the "myth" that the Catholic Church really wasn't opposed to science of Copernicus and Galileo, but one version of the story is that Galileo got into trouble for basically making fun of the pope indirectly in one of his works

http://www.reformedperspective.ca/compon...alileomyth

Does anyone know how true this "myth debunking" is?

The initial response to Galileo's findings was "The bible tells us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go". If Galileo had just presented his findings and left it at that, nothing would have happened to him. Doctrines would have changed to match observations. The Church got mad when Galileo started to interpret scriptures. Now he was stepping on their toes at a time when they were still smarting from the protestant reformation. It also didn't help that Galileo tended to rub people the wrong way. There was a bit of troll in Galileo.
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27-09-2015, 02:38 PM
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Galileo was "discussed and absolved" 500 years too late. Maybe we could get a time machine and get Bruno off the fire before he gets singed for his "heresy". The RCC is not and never should have been in the "science" business, and sure as hell shouldn't have any earthly authority to do most of what they did. This Galileo story is just some more apologetics, with enough time in the past so that the laity will just gobble it down. Go to the second page of that link; the next topic is "Scientific Reasons to be against Evolution". Laugh out load That tells me all I need to know about the veracity of said site.
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03-10-2015, 08:37 PM
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To add- The RCC had people like Galileo and Bruno on their payroll to keep control of the math and science and not let it trickle down to the "common people". Big money in the cash register if the local shaman can predict the next lunar or solar eclipse and scare the hell out of the peasants. Fuckin' RCC should be raided by the remaining honest Italian law enforcement, all clergy placed in stocks and/or pillories, and the monies from sales of all their loot (except that which should/can be returned to their rightful owners or their heirs) channeled into reeducation of those who they have deceived and/or blackmailed. That and compensation for personal injury for all the child molestation. That still wouldn't be enough, but the non-existence of the RCC and any organized religion would remove a hob-nailed religious boot from the necks of many of the people in this world.

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03-10-2015, 08:43 PM
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