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21-09-2014, 04:13 PM
RE: NDE's are complete.................. BULLSHIT!
(21-09-2014 01:09 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(21-09-2014 12:47 PM)phild249 Wrote:  Thinking that NDE;s can be explained by a short bursts of life left in the dying brain is an incredible assumption,any activity would show no more than a few random colours and sounds simular to taking acid.

So you counter it with your own incredible assumption? Consider

Quote:NDE experiencers however claim the the experiences are vivid and have more clarity than anything ordinary life as ever shown .What are the odds of two people having the same experience if it’s a delusional dream, that in itself would be a phenomenonal occurrence,let alone thousands of people for hundreds of years experiencing this.

Those 'same experiences' are largely culturally dependent. People in different cultures have 'experiences' that are similar to others in their culture.

Quote:To say its down to the dying brain is like smashing a stereo radio with a sledge hammer and being treated to the whole of Shakespeares plays narrated by Sir David Attenborough in its dying throes,due to the fact having some life still left in the batteries, as if......

Except the only reports of NDEs are from people who didn't actually die. So their radios weren't smashed nor their batteries drained.

Quote:And why with near death visions always people talk to and see already passed relatives if it’s the brain dying the delusion would something lodged in the memory like a scene Downton Abby
or anything else

But they don't all see dead relatives.

Quote:.People who say lets face facts,about that human consciousness survival isn’t possible say this because they don’t actually know any facts ,other than a quick disbelief and it seems unlikely to me so I’ll say its nonsense .

No, we say that because the evidence all says that the mind is brain-based. There is nowhere for consciousness to exist without a brain.

Quote: I am sure 250 years ago a sailor on the HMS Endeavour would have refuted the possibility of talking into a little box while docked in England and speaking instantly to someone in the new world of Australia would have also faced the facts that it is impossible ,yet in the modern world more than half the World carry a box and take for granted such things.

Lousy analogy is lousy.

Quote:Dawkins view of conciousness origin is nothing more than guesswork and as no real basis’

No, it's based on actual research, unlike your ravings.

Quote:Actual scientists, Physicists, and neurosurgeons admit they do not know or what consciousness is for sure or where it originated from ,let alone from the theorisation of a commercial writer.

Dawkins is an actual scientist.

Quote: More practical information would gathered from authors who have actual experience
in such matters such ac Bran Weiss psychiatrist , Eben Alexander Neurosurgeon,
both previously avid atheists.

Sir William Crooks Chemist and physicist also set to prove the non reality of such things
and spent twenty years of research,into late Victorian era aiming to discredit mediums etc,
Crookes carried out very demanding tests under extremely stringent conditions.

Crookes was repeatedly fooled by mediums.

Quote:Being conscientious and true scientist Crookes submitted his finding as he found them,unfortunatly it was not what the scientific world wish to hear,finding some fakery but overall much genuine reality in his studies.

No, his 'findings' were methodologically flawed and biased.

Quote:However because this was not the expected results they were hoping for he was ostracised and frowned upon by the great unlearned fact knowing scientist as he would be today.
Why they encouraged him in the first place to take up the experiments if the verdict was predefined anyway is a typical example that is still extant today.

He undertook spiritualism on his own, without prompting.

Quote:As for people having the experiences on pilot training its not surprising as the body is experiencing its belief that it is near death,Penn & Teller offer no explanation as to why a person can see their own body from outside when experiencing a NDE .
This test if anything confirms the existence of the nde not disproves it,all trainees having the same delusions wow........

The brain is experiencing oxygen deprivation.

Quote:If out to make a buck from this its definitely penn &Teller
They way they spout their ignorance as facts is incredible ,look learn before you claim to know something , That none us do for sure

They are far less ignorant than you appear to be.
Thinking that NDE;s can be explained by a short bursts of life left in the dying brain is an incredible assumption,any activity would show no more than a few random colours and sounds simular to taking acid.

I don’t need need to counter this as its obvious that if the brains not working properly it should mal-functioning,however it isnt,the same answer goes for your next uninformed retort
Quote:
NDE experiencers however claim the the experiences are vivid and have more clarity than anything ordinary life as ever shown .What are the odds of two people having the same experience if it’s a delusional dream, that in itself would be a phenomenonal occurrence,let alone thousands of people for hundreds of years experiencing this.

Those 'same experiences' are largely culturally dependent. People in different cultures have 'experiences' that are similar to others in their culture.

And why with near death visions always people talk to and see already passed relatives if it’s the brain dying the delusion would something lodged in the memory like a scene Downton Abby
or anything else

(But they don't all see dead relatives.)
Thousand of people say they have,and many times death they are seen talking and conversing with already passed reletives.....
,but you say they haven’t and you know this because?
.

People who say lets face facts,about that human consciousness survival isn’t possible say this because they don’t actually know any facts ,other than a quick disbelief and it seems unlikely to me so I’ll say its nonsense .

No, we say that because the evidence all says that the mind is brain-based. There is nowhere for consciousness to exist without a brain.

No one as proved proved that for a fact there such thing as remote viewing that the military spend millions on that has been proved many times ,and you certainly don’t know that for sure just because you say it doesn’t make it a fact.....In fact the Monroe institute has studied and taught out of body experiences for decades

I am sure 250 years ago a sailor on the HMS Endeavour would have refuted the possibility of talking into a little box while docked in England and speaking instantly to someone in the new world of Australia would have also faced the facts that it is impossible ,yet in the modern world more than half the World carry a box and take for granted such things.

Lousy analogy is lousy.

Lousy analogy ? Well you didn’t actually find fault for a change so you must agreed......

Dawkins view of conciousness origin is nothing more than guesswork and as no real basis’

No, it's based on actual research, unlike your ravings.

Well if its based on his research good because he admits he doesn’t know

Actual scientists, Physicists, and neurosurgeons admit they do not know or what consciousness is for sure or where it originated from ,let alone from the theorisation of a commercial writer.

Dawkins is an actual scientist.
Richard Dawkins is a
Evolutionary biologist OK a scientist in his own field not physicist or neurologist so get that one straight


More practical information would gathered from authors who have actual experience
in such matters such ac Bran Weiss psychiatrist , Eben Alexander Neurosurgeon,
both previously avid atheists.

Sir William Crooks Chemist and physicist also set to prove the non reality of such things
and spent twenty years of research,into late Victorian era aiming to discredit mediums etc,
Crookes carried out very demanding tests under extremely stringent conditions.

Crookes was repeatedly fooled by mediums.

Of course some of the people were fraudulent over the coarse many years he was bound to find some tricksters ,as in any trade there charlatans trying it on.But overall he found genuine phenomena .
Sir William Crookes, OM, FRS was a British chemist and physicist who attended the Royal College of Chemistry, London, and worked on spectroscopy. He was a pioneer of vacuum tubes, inventing the Crookes tube.
Hardly some twat who just sticks blindly by preconceived beliefs .Encouraged or not he’s goal was to expose what he thought was trickery in many cases he found was not so,but at least went out investigated it,and didnt just presume he knew best like you

Being conscientious and true scientist Crookes submitted his finding as he found them,unfortunatly it was not what the scientific world wish to hear,finding some fakery but overall much genuine reality in his studies.

No, his 'findings' were methodologically flawed and biased.
No his were claimed to be flawed by his unlearned critics like you to debase him,who did no investigations but knew all the answers


Quote:
As for people having the experiences on pilot training its not surprising as the body is experiencing its belief that it is near death,Penn & Teller offer no explanation as to why a person can see their own body from outside when experiencing a NDE .
This test if anything confirms the existence of the nde not disproves it,all trainees having the same delusions wow........

The brain is experiencing oxygen deprivation.

Yet the experience is as more clarity with reduced oxygen,so much for consciousness in the brain
If out to make a buck from this its definitely penn &Teller
They way they spout their ignorance as facts is incredible ,look learn before you claim to know something , That none us do for sure

They are far less ignorant than you appear to be.

You mean because they agree with you in opposing the threat to your unlearned preconceived views.
You really need to do more studying before you,rant as knowing what your talking about .When really don’t have as much knowledge as you think........
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21-09-2014, 04:19 PM
RE: NDE's are complete.................. BULLSHIT!
(21-09-2014 04:13 PM)phild249 Wrote:  
(21-09-2014 01:09 PM)Chas Wrote:  So you counter it with your own incredible assumption? Consider


Those 'same experiences' are largely culturally dependent. People in different cultures have 'experiences' that are similar to others in their culture.


Except the only reports of NDEs are from people who didn't actually die. So their radios weren't smashed nor their batteries drained.


But they don't all see dead relatives.


No, we say that because the evidence all says that the mind is brain-based. There is nowhere for consciousness to exist without a brain.


Lousy analogy is lousy.


No, it's based on actual research, unlike your ravings.


Dawkins is an actual scientist.


Crookes was repeatedly fooled by mediums.


No, his 'findings' were methodologically flawed and biased.


He undertook spiritualism on his own, without prompting.


The brain is experiencing oxygen deprivation.


They are far less ignorant than you appear to be.
Thinking that NDE;s can be explained by a short bursts of life left in the dying brain is an incredible assumption,any activity would show no more than a few random colours and sounds simular to taking acid.

I don’t need need to counter this as its obvious that if the brains not working properly it should mal-functioning,however it isnt,the same answer goes for your next uninformed retort
Quote:
NDE experiencers however claim the the experiences are vivid and have more clarity than anything ordinary life as ever shown .What are the odds of two people having the same experience if it’s a delusional dream, that in itself would be a phenomenonal occurrence,let alone thousands of people for hundreds of years experiencing this.

Those 'same experiences' are largely culturally dependent. People in different cultures have 'experiences' that are similar to others in their culture.

And why with near death visions always people talk to and see already passed relatives if it’s the brain dying the delusion would something lodged in the memory like a scene Downton Abby
or anything else

(But they don't all see dead relatives.)
Thousand of people say they have,and many times death they are seen talking and conversing with already passed reletives.....
,but you say they haven’t and you know this because?
.

People who say lets face facts,about that human consciousness survival isn’t possible say this because they don’t actually know any facts ,other than a quick disbelief and it seems unlikely to me so I’ll say its nonsense .

No, we say that because the evidence all says that the mind is brain-based. There is nowhere for consciousness to exist without a brain.

No one as proved proved that for a fact there such thing as remote viewing that the military spend millions on that has been proved many times ,and you certainly don’t know that for sure just because you say it doesn’t make it a fact.....In fact the Monroe institute has studied and taught out of body experiences for decades

I am sure 250 years ago a sailor on the HMS Endeavour would have refuted the possibility of talking into a little box while docked in England and speaking instantly to someone in the new world of Australia would have also faced the facts that it is impossible ,yet in the modern world more than half the World carry a box and take for granted such things.

Lousy analogy is lousy.

Lousy analogy ? Well you didn’t actually find fault for a change so you must agreed......

Dawkins view of conciousness origin is nothing more than guesswork and as no real basis’

No, it's based on actual research, unlike your ravings.

Well if its based on his research good because he admits he doesn’t know

Actual scientists, Physicists, and neurosurgeons admit they do not know or what consciousness is for sure or where it originated from ,let alone from the theorisation of a commercial writer.

Dawkins is an actual scientist.
Richard Dawkins is a
Evolutionary biologist OK a scientist in his own field not physicist or neurologist so get that one straight


More practical information would gathered from authors who have actual experience
in such matters such ac Bran Weiss psychiatrist , Eben Alexander Neurosurgeon,
both previously avid atheists.

Sir William Crooks Chemist and physicist also set to prove the non reality of such things
and spent twenty years of research,into late Victorian era aiming to discredit mediums etc,
Crookes carried out very demanding tests under extremely stringent conditions.

Crookes was repeatedly fooled by mediums.

Of course some of the people were fraudulent over the coarse many years he was bound to find some tricksters ,as in any trade there charlatans trying it on.But overall he found genuine phenomena .
Sir William Crookes, OM, FRS was a British chemist and physicist who attended the Royal College of Chemistry, London, and worked on spectroscopy. He was a pioneer of vacuum tubes, inventing the Crookes tube.
Hardly some twat who just sticks blindly by preconceived beliefs .Encouraged or not he’s goal was to expose what he thought was trickery in many cases he found was not so,but at least went out investigated it,and didnt just presume he knew best like you

Being conscientious and true scientist Crookes submitted his finding as he found them,unfortunatly it was not what the scientific world wish to hear,finding some fakery but overall much genuine reality in his studies.

No, his 'findings' were methodologically flawed and biased.
No his were claimed to be flawed by his unlearned critics like you to debase him,who did no investigations but knew all the answers


Quote:
As for people having the experiences on pilot training its not surprising as the body is experiencing its belief that it is near death,Penn & Teller offer no explanation as to why a person can see their own body from outside when experiencing a NDE .
This test if anything confirms the existence of the nde not disproves it,all trainees having the same delusions wow........

The brain is experiencing oxygen deprivation.

Yet the experience is as more clarity with reduced oxygen,so much for consciousness in the brain
If out to make a buck from this its definitely penn &Teller
They way they spout their ignorance as facts is incredible ,look learn before you claim to know something , That none us do for sure

They are far less ignorant than you appear to be.

You mean because they agree with you in opposing the threat to your unlearned preconceived views.
You really need to do more studying before you,rant as knowing what your talking about .When really don’t have as much knowledge as you think........

You are hilariously stupid. Thumbsup


How about you try again with some formatting.

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22-09-2014, 01:28 AM (This post was last modified: 22-09-2014 01:50 AM by phild249.)
RE: NDE's are complete.................. BULLSHIT!
(21-09-2014 04:19 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(21-09-2014 04:13 PM)phild249 Wrote:  Thinking that NDE;s can be explained by a short bursts of life left in the dying brain is an incredible assumption,any activity would show no more than a few random colours and sounds simular to taking acid.

I don’t need need to counter this as its obvious that if the brains not working properly it should mal-functioning,however it isnt,the same answer goes for your next uninformed retort
Quote:
NDE experiencers however claim the the experiences are vivid and have more clarity than anything ordinary life as ever shown .What are the odds of two people having the same experience if it’s a delusional dream, that in itself would be a phenomenonal occurrence,let alone thousands of people for hundreds of years experiencing this.

Those 'same experiences' are largely culturally dependent. People in different cultures have 'experiences' that are similar to others in their culture.

And why with near death visions always people talk to and see already passed relatives if it’s the brain dying the delusion would something lodged in the memory like a scene Downton Abby
or anything else

(But they don't all see dead relatives.)
Thousand of people say they have,and many times death they are seen talking and conversing with already passed reletives.....
,but you say they haven’t and you know this because?




.

People who say lets face facts,about that human consciousness survival isn’t possible say this because they don’t actually know any facts ,other than a quick disbelief and it seems unlikely to me so I’ll say its nonsense .

No, we say that because the evidence all says that the mind is brain-based. There is nowhere for consciousness to exist without a brain.

No one as proved proved that for a fact there such thing as remote viewing that the military spend millions on that has been proved many times ,and you certainly don’t know that for sure just because you say it doesn’t make it a fact.....In fact the Monroe institute has studied and taught out of body experiences for decades

I am sure 250 years ago a sailor on the HMS Endeavour would have refuted the possibility of talking into a little box while docked in England and speaking instantly to someone in the new world of Australia would have also faced the facts that it is impossible ,yet in the modern world more than half the World carry a box and take for granted such things.

Lousy analogy is lousy.

Lousy analogy ? Well you didn’t actually find fault for a change so you must agreed......

Dawkins view of conciousness origin is nothing more than guesswork and as no real basis’

No, it's based on actual research, unlike your ravings.

Well if its based on his research good because he admits he doesn’t know

Actual scientists, Physicists, and neurosurgeons admit they do not know or what consciousness is for sure or where it originated from ,let alone from the theorisation of a commercial writer.

Dawkins is an actual scientist.
Richard Dawkins is a
Evolutionary biologist OK a scientist in his own field not physicist or neurologist so get that one straight


More practical information would gathered from authors who have actual experience
in such matters such ac Bran Weiss psychiatrist , Eben Alexander Neurosurgeon,
both previously avid atheists.

Sir William Crooks Chemist and physicist also set to prove the non reality of such things
and spent twenty years of research,into late Victorian era aiming to discredit mediums etc,
Crookes carried out very demanding tests under extremely stringent conditions.

Crookes was repeatedly fooled by mediums.

Of course some of the people were fraudulent over the coarse many years he was bound to find some tricksters ,as in any trade there charlatans trying it on.But overall he found genuine phenomena .
Sir William Crookes, OM, FRS was a British chemist and physicist who attended the Royal College of Chemistry, London, and worked on spectroscopy. He was a pioneer of vacuum tubes, inventing the Crookes tube.
Hardly some twat who just sticks blindly by preconceived beliefs .Encouraged or not he’s goal was to expose what he thought was trickery in many cases he found was not so,but at least went out investigated it,and didnt just presume he knew best like you

Being conscientious and true scientist Crookes submitted his finding as he found them,unfortunatly it was not what the scientific world wish to hear,finding some fakery but overall much genuine reality in his studies.

No, his 'findings' were methodologically flawed and biased.
No his were claimed to be flawed by his unlearned critics like you to debase him,who did no investigations but knew all the answers


Quote:
As for people having the experiences on pilot training its not surprising as the body is experiencing its belief that it is near death,Penn & Teller offer no explanation as to why a person can see their own body from outside when experiencing a NDE .
This test if anything confirms the existence of the nde not disproves it,all trainees having the same delusions wow........

The brain is experiencing oxygen deprivation.

Yet the experience is as more clarity with reduced oxygen,so much for consciousness in the brain
If out to make a buck from this its definitely penn &Teller
They way they spout their ignorance as facts is incredible ,look learn before you claim to know something , That none us do for sure

They are far less ignorant than you appear to be.

You mean because they agree with you in opposing the threat to your unlearned preconceived views.
You really need to do more studying before you,rant as knowing what your talking about .When really don’t have as much knowledge as you think........

You are hilariously stupid. Thumbsup


How about you try again with some formatting.
People who call others stupid in an argument or pick up on minor spelling details do so because they realise they have been proved to be far dumber than they realised,and cannot reply sensibly because they now realise they really possess no real knowledge and are remarkably THICK


Most people who have ,or many at least had no prior expectations of especially in the west
.Do think someone who just had a car accident,blown up in a tank,or stabbed working on the door of a nightclub were thinking at the moment of occurrence” Oh expect ill see Jesus now,or will remember everything that happened in my life all of a sudden , for crying out loud I am injured and need help are not expecting something like that to occur.
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22-09-2014, 02:49 AM
RE: NDE's are complete.................. BULLSHIT!
(22-09-2014 01:28 AM)phild249 Wrote:  People who call others stupid in an argument or pick up on minor spelling details do so because they realise they have been proved to be far dumber than they realised,and cannot reply sensibly because they now realise they really possess no real knowledge and are remarkably THICK


Most people who have ,or many at least had no prior expectations of especially in the west
.Do think someone who just had a car accident,blown up in a tank,or stabbed working on the door of a nightclub were thinking at the moment of occurrence” Oh expect ill see Jesus now,or will remember everything that happened in my life all of a sudden , for crying out loud I am injured and need help are not expecting something like that to occur.

Correction. He called you stupid for no other reason then because you demonstrate, and vocally demonstrate, that you are in fact a fucking idiot who is obviously completely ignorant of all the scientific data surrounding NDE's. They are not in any way supernatural at all. They are repeatable in the lab, they are well documented, and they are 100% natural. They are well understood and not mysterious in any way. That you don't know the science is not a point in your favor shit head. It's not magic go read a book on the subject.
Secondly He's not criticizing your spelling (though that would have merit, who taught you how to write? A fucking trout?) he's pointing out that your inability to format a response properly makes your post even more unreadable then it would be normally. That you can not tell the difference between spelling and formatting lends to the theory that you ARE fucking stupid.

Finally your final..."thought"... is idiotic. People don't decide to have a fucking NDE you idiot. People have had NDE's where they run around with Sam and Dean Winchester hunting monsters, traveling the whole of time and space in the Tardis with The Doctor, or fighting armies with lightsabers. Seeing Jesus and dead grandma are no more real then those NDE's, it's not magic so get an education on the subject. This debate was settled ages ago for anyone who actually cares enough to look at the science you magnificently THICK fuck.

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22-09-2014, 03:00 AM
RE: NDE's are complete.................. BULLSHIT!
(22-09-2014 01:28 AM)phild249 Wrote:  
(21-09-2014 04:19 PM)Chas Wrote:  You are hilariously stupid. Thumbsup


How about you try again with some formatting.
People who call others stupid in an argument or pick up on minor spelling details do so because they realise they have been proved to be far dumber than they realised,and cannot reply sensibly because they now realise they really possess no real knowledge and are remarkably THICK

Your post was non-responsive and largely unreadable.

Quote:Most people who have ,or many at least had no prior expectations of especially in the west
.Do think someone who just had a car accident,blown up in a tank,or stabbed working on the door of a nightclub were thinking at the moment of occurrence” Oh expect ill see Jesus now,or will remember everything that happened in my life all of a sudden , for crying out loud I am injured and need help are not expecting something like that to occur.

What does that even mean? Your post is incoherent.

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22-09-2014, 03:10 AM
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(21-09-2014 12:36 PM)Sam Wrote:  Where's part 1?

forgot about that,

added it in the OP
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22-09-2014, 03:45 AM
RE: NDE's are complete.................. BULLSHIT!
question
since there are idiots who write about NDE

is there a correlation to the publishing of such book and the increase in NDE's ?
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22-09-2014, 04:33 AM
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(22-09-2014 03:45 AM)Ace Wrote:  question
since there are idiots who write about NDE

is there a correlation to the publishing of such book and the increase in NDE's ?

It's reminiscent of the alien abduction craze.

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22-09-2014, 06:20 AM
RE: NDE's are complete.................. BULLSHIT!
(22-09-2014 01:28 AM)phild249 Wrote:  
(21-09-2014 04:19 PM)Chas Wrote:  You are hilariously stupid. Thumbsup


How about you try again with some formatting.
People who call others stupid in an argument or pick up on minor spelling details do so because they realise they have been proved to be far dumber than they realised,and cannot reply sensibly because they now realise they really possess no real knowledge and are remarkably THICK


Most people who have ,or many at least had no prior expectations of especially in the west
.Do think someone who just had a car accident,blown up in a tank,or stabbed working on the door of a nightclub were thinking at the moment of occurrence” Oh expect ill see Jesus now,or will remember everything that happened in my life all of a sudden , for crying out loud I am injured and need help are not expecting something like that to occur.

You call an entire page of incoherent raving "minor" ?
There may be medication for you.
Have you sought professional help ?
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22-09-2014, 06:28 AM
RE: NDE's are complete.................. BULLSHIT!
(21-09-2014 03:37 PM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  I thought NDE have been tested by scientists and replicated through drugs proving that they are just a chemical reaction to the brain dying?

People still going on about them being real? How strange.

There's a hypothesis about that involving ketamine. Apparently, ketamine can give you a sensation of being outside of your own body combined with a strong feeling that this is very real and profound. That being said, I don't know that they've actually found a link to this during an NDE, but more have just found yet another mundane way to explain the divine and supernatural.
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