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30-06-2016, 05:18 PM
RE: NRA has 2 speeds, sell more or do nothing.
(30-06-2016 05:16 PM)Brian37 Wrote:  
(30-06-2016 05:00 PM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  I can kill a guy with a rolled-up newspaper, and not endanger any by-standers.

I wouldn't go that far. Impossible or not, delusion is the problem, not gun rights, but the false perception that the outcome will always end up good. I'm not sure why you are claiming this. But regardless of topic, even outside guns, most humans intuitions about what they think an outcome will be, ends up being false.

"I have a right to defend myself" isn't an issue that anyone is disputing or should dispute. The issue is for non military non cops, what are the odds of successfully doing the same thing without the training? The truth is a civilian is more likely to injure or kill themselves or someone they know, than to successfully defend themselves from a complete stranger.
I was pointing out that you don't need a gun to be dangerous. Guns have an unfortunate effect of making people think they're badasses, right up to the time they find out they're not.
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30-06-2016, 05:20 PM
RE: NRA has 2 speeds, sell more or do nothing.
(30-06-2016 05:03 PM)Brian37 Wrote:  We simply want sanity, pragmatism and less worship of an object.

Yes and when I pointed out that many of solutions/assertions made in this thread won't have the desired effect you fucked off and have still refused to go anywhere near the argument.

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30-06-2016, 05:28 PM
RE: NRA has 2 speeds, sell more or do nothing.
(30-06-2016 05:06 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(30-06-2016 04:40 PM)Brian37 Wrote:  UGGGGGG,

Mass shootings are not not stopped by civilians as a majority. The odds of a non cop non military civilian gun owner stopping a public active shooter is only 3%.

You are thinking with your wishes, not the real life odds.

Pete Blair, director of the COP TRAINING "ALERRT" wrote the FBI report on active shooter events. Most people do not understand that their is a huge difference between your own desires, and your intent, and actual doing it in reality. There is a huge difference between hitting a target and crisis stress shooting events.

Time stamp 4 minutes and 48 seconds. I think a professional cop trainer knows more about the statistical outcomes than you do.




And why do you think only 3% of active shooters are stopped by a bystander?

Because they're mostly in gun free zones...

Hey asshole, I am not Pete Blair. Argue with him dumbass. And fuck you asshole, Japan and Australia have far less gun deaths than we do, and much stricter gun regulations.

I am sick of this bullshit. EVERYONE should own guns, isn't based on anything different than "Everyone should be a Christian" or "Everyone should be a Muslim". I know the tripe " how do you know unless you try it".

Nope sorry moron. If more Christianity worked, we would have no KKK or Nazi Skinheads. If more Islam worked we wouldn't have 9/11 or San Bernardino or Orlando.

And if everyone had more guns, we would have less gun violence. That isn't pragmatic or realistic. It is simply another form of worship.

Humans are what solve problems, not attachments to bullshit utopias, be it worship of a holy book which is an object, or worship of a gun which is also an object.

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30-06-2016, 06:18 PM
RE: NRA has 2 speeds, sell more or do nothing.
(30-06-2016 05:28 PM)Brian37 Wrote:  
(30-06-2016 05:06 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  And why do you think only 3% of active shooters are stopped by a bystander?

Because they're mostly in gun free zones...

Hey asshole, I am not Pete Blair. Argue with him dumbass. And fuck you asshole, Japan and Australia have far less gun deaths than we do, and much stricter gun regulations.

I am sick of this bullshit. EVERYONE should own guns, isn't based on anything different than "Everyone should be a Christian" or "Everyone should be a Muslim". I know the tripe " how do you know unless you try it".

Nope sorry moron. If more Christianity worked, we would have no KKK or Nazi Skinheads. If more Islam worked we wouldn't have 9/11 or San Bernardino or Orlando.

And if everyone had more guns, we would have less gun violence. That isn't pragmatic or realistic. It is simply another form of worship.

Humans are what solve problems, not attachments to bullshit utopias, be it worship of a holy book which is an object, or worship of a gun which is also an object.

The problem for you is, guns are never going away. Ever.

Ever.

Do you understand that?

You can be a victim if you want. When the next active shooter hits, or Islamic terrorist, or right wing nut job, or left wing nut job, you can lay there pissing on yourself, screaming in pain, maybe watching your wife or children slaughtered. Or you can at least fight back.

If you lay there pissing on yourself, you have nobody to blame but yourself.

Because even if guns were banned (like in France) the terrorists will still get them (just like France).

That is the reality.

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30-06-2016, 06:25 PM (This post was last modified: 30-06-2016 06:32 PM by Chas.)
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(30-06-2016 04:08 PM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  
(30-06-2016 03:55 PM)SYZ Wrote:  And this is precisely why the rest of the world calls Americans gun happy LOL.

—Or, as someone said earlier, maybe you're suffering some sort of paranoia?

It is reassuring to know there's a few armed people around. Now if we could just have reason to think any of them are safe with their guns...

The vast majority of them are. Drinking Beverage

There are nearly 80 million legal gun owners in the U.S. A tiny fraction of them commit crimes, commit suicide, or have firearm accidents.

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30-06-2016, 06:34 PM
RE: NRA has 2 speeds, sell more or do nothing.
(30-06-2016 06:25 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(30-06-2016 04:08 PM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  It is reassuring to know there's a few armed people around. Now if we could just have reason to think any of them are safe with their guns...

The vast majority of them are. Drinking Beverage

There are nearly 80 million legal gun owners in the U.S. A tiny fraction of them commit crimes, commit suicide, or have firearm accidents.

So far. Now, tell me which ones are the "tiny fraction", so I can avoid them.
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30-06-2016, 06:34 PM (This post was last modified: 30-06-2016 06:47 PM by Chas.)
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(30-06-2016 04:12 PM)SYZ Wrote:  
(30-06-2016 12:35 AM)Chas Wrote:  Alcohol contributes to more deaths in the U.S. than do firearms.

Sorry Chas, but this is a classic red herring.

How many people are killed by assailants wielding wine bottles? And why doesn't the army use beer bottles as assault weapons; it'd save the taxpayers millions? Plus you could drink the ammunition on a hot day. And trying to hold up a bank with a wine bottle? The tellers would just fall about laughing.

It is most certainly not a red herring in the context of this thread.

Life has risks and many of them are consequences of our own choices. It is a societal decision to have millions of cars driven by hardly qualified people, to have largely unrestricted access to alcohol, to pollute the air and water.

We each choose to live with certain risks, assuming one has recognized and considered them. We try, as a society and as individuals, to mitigate know risks through laws and education. We have laws regarding who can use of automobiles and alcohol, we have laws that punish their misuse.

Alcohol is a systemic poison, automobiles are an environmental disaster. Each of them cause more deaths than do firearms.

Now go ahead with the "yabut"s, but firearms have legitimate utility.

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30-06-2016, 06:36 PM
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(30-06-2016 06:34 PM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  
(30-06-2016 06:25 PM)Chas Wrote:  The vast majority of them are. Drinking Beverage

There are nearly 80 million legal gun owners in the U.S. A tiny fraction of them commit crimes, commit suicide, or have firearm accidents.

So far. Now, tell me which ones are the "tiny fraction", so I can avoid them.

I'm afraid you're going to have to stay at home and never go out in public; even then, your life will not be 100% safe.

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30-06-2016, 06:41 PM
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(30-06-2016 06:36 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(30-06-2016 06:34 PM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  So far. Now, tell me which ones are the "tiny fraction", so I can avoid them.

I'm afraid you're going to have to stay at home and never go out in public; even then, your life will not be 100% safe.

I've been doing fine for 65 years. I still don't want to get shot by some rogue cowboy who wants to be a hero as the expense of the innocent bystanders.

But aren't you 100% with that toy in your pocket?
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30-06-2016, 06:48 PM
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(30-06-2016 06:41 PM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  
(30-06-2016 06:36 PM)Chas Wrote:  I'm afraid you're going to have to stay at home and never go out in public; even then, your life will not be 100% safe.

I've been doing fine for 65 years. I still don't want to get shot by some rogue cowboy who wants to be a hero as the expense of the innocent bystanders.

But aren't you 100% with that toy in your pocket?

It is neither a toy nor in my pocket. Nothing is 100% safe.

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