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21-01-2014, 04:55 AM
RE: Natural evil - whats the best theistic defence you have come across...?
Well, I guess I'll just leave it to whomever is patient enough.

Thanks for pointing it out EvolutionKills.

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21-01-2014, 04:56 AM
RE: Natural evil - whats the best theistic defence you have come across...?
(21-01-2014 04:55 AM)undergroundp Wrote:  Thanks for pointing it out EvolutionKills.

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21-01-2014, 08:35 AM
RE: Natural evil - whats the best theistic defence you have come across...?
(20-01-2014 10:50 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  News flash Alla. Back in the pre-scientific eras of man, when the vast majority of people on the planet believed the world was flat; that did not make the world any less spherical.

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Its actually a rock solid evidence which proves that the God(IF there is one) DID NOT inspire the words of the bible as they are scientifically bankrupt.

Dreams/Hallucinations/delusions are not evidence
Wishful thinking is not evidence
Disproved statements&Illogical conclusions are not evidence
Logical fallacies&Unsubstantiated claims are not evidence
Vague prophecies is not evidence
Data that requires a certain belief is not evidence
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21-01-2014, 09:06 AM
RE: Natural evil - whats the best theistic defence you have come across...?
(20-01-2014 10:12 PM)IndianAtheist Wrote:  
(20-01-2014 05:20 PM)Alla Wrote:  why don't you just tell me?
Hey please explain to me how lives are "redeemable" Consider

As i said earlier if If God can justify letting us suffer in this life by compensating us in the next life, then that ethical principle allows us to do the same thing

We can knowingly allow people to suffer even though we could help them, so long as we compensate them afterward for our inaction.

It should be morally justified to let people suffer as long as they can be "compensated" for their suffering.

It is not God's plan that we make each other suffer.
Why are we here? We are here to make choices that will help us to grow spiritually and be more perfect.
When we make someone to suffer we can not become more kind, more compassionate, more charitable and etc. What does it mean? It means we can not grow spiritually and we can not become perfect.
Another thing. Because we are NOT All-knowing YET we do NOT know what trial is the best for each one of us. That is why we also can NOT judge people perfectly as God can do this.
That is why we have to forgive those who sin against us. Because we can not always know intentions of the people(someone can offend us unintentionally). it is better for us to forgive. This way we can grow spiritually and have peace in our hearts.
It was never God's intention to make us each other to suffer. Only He can decide which trial is the best for each one of us. He knew us before we came here and he knows our hearts and minds and our ABILITIES.
There is a difference between All-knowing people and NOT all-knowing people.
We didn't grow to that level YET.

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21-01-2014, 09:08 AM
RE: Natural evil - whats the best theistic defence you have come across...?
(20-01-2014 07:13 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  
(20-01-2014 05:20 PM)Alla Wrote:  why don't you just tell me?

You don't deny it at all.
Did I deny something?

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21-01-2014, 09:09 AM
RE: Natural evil - whats the best theistic defence you have come across...?
(20-01-2014 10:50 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(20-01-2014 05:00 PM)Alla Wrote:  I said this:"yes, it does solve THIS problem but it doesn't solve another problem: you can not become all-knowing God".
You said:" And since when is that a prerequisite? Since when is that a problem? It's a problem that only exists in your worldview."
I said that I don't believe your opinion is true. Because millions of people say that they have the same worldview as I do. And I believe their word.

News flash Alla. Back in the pre-scientific eras of man, when the vast majority of people on the planet believed the world was flat; that did not make the world any less spherical.

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What you have is a logical fallacy known as an argumentum ad populum (argument from population). It's a fallacy because simple belief by the majority that something is true, does not by sole virtue of that majority opinion actually make it true. So yeah, this is why skeptics are not convinced when a sheep says she finds the presence of the herd good evidence for the beliefs of the herd...
I am in minority.
But I agree with what you said.

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21-01-2014, 09:31 AM
RE: Natural evil - whats the best theistic defence you have come across...?
(21-01-2014 09:08 AM)Alla Wrote:  
(20-01-2014 07:13 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  You don't deny it at all.
Did I deny something?

It's what you DIDN'T deny, idiot troll.

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21-01-2014, 09:47 AM
RE: Natural evil - whats the best theistic defence you have come across...?
(21-01-2014 09:09 AM)Alla Wrote:  I am in minority.
But I agree with what you said.


Minority? As a Mormon, yes.

As a theist? No.

As someone who believes in the super-natural? No.

As someone who is very credulous, believing fantastical things with no evidence? No.

As someone who has a severe lack of basic critical thinking and evidence evaluation skills? No.


Unfortunately Alla, you are not in the minority in many vastly depressing ways.

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21-01-2014, 09:51 AM
RE: Natural evil - whats the best theistic defence you have come across...?
(21-01-2014 09:47 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(21-01-2014 09:09 AM)Alla Wrote:  I am in minority.
But I agree with what you said.


Minority? As a Mormon, yes.

As a theist? No.

As someone who believes in the super-natural? No.

As someone who is very credulous, believing fantastical things with no evidence? No.

As someone who has a severe lack of basic critical thinking and evidence evaluation skills? No.


Unfortunately Alla, you are not in the minority in many vastly depressing ways.

And as a superstitious idiot who makes bullshit up based on their superstitions and spouts it as if it were true? No.

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21-01-2014, 09:56 AM
RE: Natural evil - whats the best theistic defence you have come across...?
(21-01-2014 09:06 AM)Alla Wrote:  
(20-01-2014 10:12 PM)IndianAtheist Wrote:  Hey please explain to me how lives are "redeemable" Consider

As i said earlier if If God can justify letting us suffer in this life by compensating us in the next life, then that ethical principle allows us to do the same thing

We can knowingly allow people to suffer even though we could help them, so long as we compensate them afterward for our inaction.

It should be morally justified to let people suffer as long as they can be "compensated" for their suffering.

It is not God's plan that we make each other suffer.
Why are we here? We are here to make choices that will help us to grow spiritually and be more perfect.
When we make someone to suffer we can not become more kind, more compassionate, more charitable and etc. What does it mean? It means we can not grow spiritually and we can not become perfect.
Another thing. Because we are NOT All-knowing YET we do NOT know what trial is the best for each one of us. That is why we also can NOT judge people perfectly as God can do this.
That is why we have to forgive those who sin against us. Because we can not always know intentions of the people(someone can offend us unintentionally). it is better for us to forgive. This way we can grow spiritually and have peace in our hearts.
It was never God's intention to make us each other to suffer. Only He can decide which trial is the best for each one of us. He knew us before we came here and he knows our hearts and minds and our ABILITIES.
There is a difference between All-knowing people and NOT all-knowing people.
We didn't grow to that level YET.

More made-up shit from the pathological liar.

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