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21-01-2014, 11:24 AM
RE: Natural evil - whats the best theistic defence you have come across...?
(21-01-2014 11:00 AM)Alla Wrote:  
(21-01-2014 10:53 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Alla, the super-natural is anything that exists outside of the natural world. Miracles, by definition, are super-natural (a miracle being a suspension or breach of natural laws). If you believe in a creator god that performed miracles (you know, like El or Yahweh/Jesus), then you believe in the super-natural! All god concepts require a belief in the super-natural, that's what makes them gods. A god without the super-natural is nothing more than a man.
I don't believe in anything that exists outside of the natural world. I don't even believe in the un-natural world.
I don't believe in definition of god that is made by men. That is why I am in minority.
un-natural things do not exist

The how's about you define, in exact and in no uncertain terms, exactly what you think your deity is, if it is not, by definition, a deity.

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21-01-2014, 11:32 AM
RE: Natural evil - whats the best theistic defence you have come across...?
(21-01-2014 11:00 AM)Alla Wrote:  un-natural things do not exist

Then your gods do not exist. Q.E.D.

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21-01-2014, 11:34 AM
RE: Natural evil - whats the best theistic defence you have come across...?
(21-01-2014 11:32 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(21-01-2014 11:00 AM)Alla Wrote:  un-natural things do not exist

Then your gods do not exist. Q.E.D.

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21-01-2014, 11:48 AM
RE: Natural evil - whats the best theistic defence you have come across...?
Not to be too presumptive as to how this will go but...

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21-01-2014, 02:47 PM
RE: Natural evil - whats the best theistic defence you have come across...?
I call Poe.


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21-01-2014, 03:51 PM
RE: Natural evil - whats the best theistic defence you have come across...?
(21-01-2014 02:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  I call Poe.

You're about 565 posts late on that one.

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21-01-2014, 04:49 PM
RE: Natural evil - whats the best theistic defence you have come across...?
(21-01-2014 11:24 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  
(21-01-2014 11:00 AM)Alla Wrote:  I don't believe in anything that exists outside of the natural world. I don't even believe in the un-natural world.
I don't believe in definition of god that is made by men. That is why I am in minority.
un-natural things do not exist

The how's about you define, in exact and in no uncertain terms, exactly what you think your deity is, if it is not, by definition, a deity.
Only because you asked me first I will tell you.
Deity in my religion is not what mainstream Christians believe deity is.
I think I said enough.

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21-01-2014, 05:05 PM
RE: Natural evil - whats the best theistic defence you have come across...?
(21-01-2014 04:49 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(21-01-2014 11:24 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  The how's about you define, in exact and in no uncertain terms, exactly what you think your deity is, if it is not, by definition, a deity.
Only because you asked me first I will tell you.
Deity in my religion is not what mainstream Christians believe deity is.
I think I said enough.

You didn't answer the fucking question, retard.

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21-01-2014, 06:17 PM
RE: Natural evil - whats the best theistic defence you have come across...?
(21-01-2014 04:49 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(21-01-2014 11:24 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  The how's about you define, in exact and in no uncertain terms, exactly what you think your deity is, if it is not, by definition, a deity.
Only because you asked me first I will tell you.
Deity in my religion is not what mainstream Christians believe deity is.
I think I said enough.

You have not explained anything outside claiming to be a hipster christian.

You have said you have a deity, but do not believe in the supernatural by which deities are defined.

As such, try again, and this time pay note to this portion of my quote:
"in exact and in no uncertain terms"

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21-01-2014, 10:18 PM (This post was last modified: 22-01-2014 02:24 AM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Natural evil - whats the best theistic defence you have come across...?
(21-01-2014 06:17 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  
(21-01-2014 04:49 PM)Alla Wrote:  Only because you asked me first I will tell you.
Deity in my religion is not what mainstream Christians believe deity is.
I think I said enough.

You have not explained anything outside claiming to be a hipster christian.

You have said you have a deity, but do not believe in the supernatural by which deities are defined.

As such, try again, and this time pay note to this portion of my quote:
"in exact and in no uncertain terms"


“To define is to kill. To suggest is to create.”
-Stéphane Mallarmé


God must forever remain undefined, lest we use that definition to kill god. Woe to those ancient Greeks who defined their pantheon of gods living atop Mount Olympus, as when men did eventually conquer that peak, there were no gods to be found. Hence you see the evolution of god, as someone that gets into a personal wrestling match with Jacob and smites humanity for building towers that threaten to breach his heavenly domain; to a nebulous undefined first-cause that gave not one word when we placed a man on the moon or when the Voyager probe left our solar system.

I would love Alla to prove me wrong, buck up and give an actual concrete definition for her gods; but after all of her question dodging and tap dancing (such as Raptor Jesus' thread cornering Alla on racism in Mormon teachings)? I highly doubt it. Drinking Beverage

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