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22-08-2016, 06:15 AM
RE: Need help with a Christian friend
Yes, I meant Jenny with my backsliding question. Smile Quoting her there would have helped with clarity.
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22-08-2016, 10:28 AM (This post was last modified: 23-08-2016 06:47 AM by ohio_drg.)
RE: Need help with a Christian friend
(21-08-2016 12:50 PM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  At work.

(21-08-2016 12:42 PM)pablo Wrote:  If Jesus really is god, why would someone need to put a big sign on their car to convince anyone? Why the mysterious "sign from heaven"?
Why not just show up in person?

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22-08-2016, 10:32 AM
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As far as advice. Just be her friend. Be honest and frank when discussing this topic with her and see where it leads.
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22-08-2016, 02:14 PM
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Thanks everyone for your advice Smile

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22-08-2016, 02:19 PM
RE: Need help with a Christian friend
(21-08-2016 12:33 PM)jennybee Wrote:  Hi Everyone,

I need some help dealing with a Christian friend of mine. I used to be heavily involved in the church prior to becoming an atheist. Since church and religion were big parts of my life for so long, I still maintain friendships with several friends from my old church. Other than online forums like TTA, I don’t have a lot of atheist friends--most of my “in real life” friends are Christians or Catholics and they are actively involved in the church.

Recently, one of my Christian friends started asking me about atheism as she was having doubts about the church, religion, etc. I was so happy that she was starting to think for herself and questioning the doctrine of the church and her beliefs. I gave her several books to read that helped me on my path to atheism and we have had several long conversations as to why religion is bullshit.

Then, yesterday, we were on our way to lunch and we were once again having a conversation about religion. She brought up the Pascal’s wager thing and I mentioned that’s fine, but which god or gods (i.e. Vishnu, Zeus, yadda yadda) should you believe in to “be safe”? Just as I said that, a car drove by us with a huge ass “Jesus is Lord” poster on his car. So now my friend has gone back into Christian mode as clearly that was a sign from God, who apparently was answering my question of which god/gods should you believe in. Facepalm

I have tried several angles in trying to wake her up to reality again, none have worked, and she is now more convinced than ever that God/Jesus exists due to the timing of my asking which god should you believe in and the Jesus is Lord car sign drive by. I asked her if she saw Darth Vader is Lord immediately after my saying that, would she be required to believe in Darth Vader as her lord and savior? She told me that was just silly, but can’t seem to see the same silliness with Jesus. Anyway, I’m at a loss of what to do. I hate seeing people I care about start to question only to run back into religion.

Any ideas of what I can say to her about this incident to help her see it was just a coincidence and not a sign from God?
Give her time and space. She'll come around or she won't!
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22-08-2016, 03:03 PM
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People convert themselves. Give her the support she needs as she needs it. Pushing matters won't help.

(21-08-2016 04:22 PM)jennybee Wrote:  And then immediately after this guy pulls up in the car beside us with a large "Jesus is Lord" hand written poster board covering his entire rear window--that that somehow means God was answering my question. Hobo

If it was a sign from God you have to wonder why he didn't spell his only kid's name correctly. I'd have been fairly impressed by a bumper sticker reading "Jesua is Lord." Maybe God is Greek?

Quote:If she was a rational theist and was making her own decisions in life (and not based on what God wants her to do) and was viewing her religion as mere spirituality, then I would not be concerned. The Christian sect I was involved in was pretty hard core which includes following the Bible literally and being a Proverbs woman (i.e. submitting to your husband and being "meek"). As a friend, I am really hoping she gets out of all of that.

Then that needs to be your focus. Don't sweat the core belief, just try and steer her clear of the crazy. Try and show her that she'd be happier with something more mainstream.

Quote:Yes, previous to this conversation about religion, she has mentioned that leaving Christianity scares her because of the possibility of going to hell.

This might be a good place to start. Try and find a church that's light on the hellfire and brimstone and focuses on a just and loving God. I never understood why anybody would worship a god that would send you to hell. I might believe in and fear it, but worship? Might as well join the church of Cthulu for all the similarities.

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