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18-05-2015, 02:24 PM
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(18-05-2015 02:17 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(18-05-2015 02:10 PM)jockmcdock Wrote:  Sorry, I'm not with you. If "you don't believe in god", there's a conflict. Conflict between whom and/or what?

Don't believe in God = why need a goddidit
Do believe in God = goddidit

Em, are you OK? That's one of the most nonsensical replies I've ever seen anywhere.
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18-05-2015, 02:25 PM
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(18-05-2015 02:20 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(18-05-2015 02:19 PM)Chas Wrote:  Try actually reading my response. There is no evidence of any gods in evolution.

You quoted me, but I don't think YOU actually read what I wrote.

I did - I even read that stuff you linked. Your non-response is noted. Drinking Beverage

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18-05-2015, 02:26 PM
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(18-05-2015 02:21 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(18-05-2015 02:20 PM)Chas Wrote:  Yabut, God did what? Evolution is an algorithmic process; no gods are needed.

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18-05-2015, 02:48 PM
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(18-05-2015 02:24 PM)jockmcdock Wrote:  
(18-05-2015 02:17 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  Don't believe in God = why need a goddidit
Do believe in God = goddidit

Em, are you OK? That's one of the most nonsensical replies I've ever seen anywhere.

No, I'm fine. Just trying to speak simply.

If you do not believe in a god/God, then there is no reason to even think about having a "goddidit" explanation in evolution.

If you do believe in a god/God, then there has to be a reconciliation; thus a "goddidit" explanation for evolution.

I fail to see how this is overly complicated and confusing.

I guess I overestimated some of you.

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18-05-2015, 03:11 PM (This post was last modified: 18-05-2015 03:15 PM by Tomasia.)
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(18-05-2015 02:19 PM)Chas Wrote:  Try actually reading my response. There is no evidence of any gods in evolution.

What would evidence for god in evolution look like? Inevitability?

That seems to be what the paleontologist, Simon Conway Morris suggests:

"In The Runes of Evolution, Simon Conway Morris revitalizes the study of evolution from the perspective of convergence, providing us with compelling new evidence to support the mounting scientific view that the history of life is far more predictable than once thought."

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18-05-2015, 03:13 PM
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(18-05-2015 07:46 AM)Clockwork Wrote:  If I remember correctly, Ashari value revelation over reason. That was one of the issues between Ashari and Mutazila.

If I'm wrong please enlighten me.

I'm not sure how you can be objective like that.

Ash'arites state that faith is based on the usage of the mind.
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18-05-2015, 03:15 PM
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(18-05-2015 02:48 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  If you do not believe in a god/God, then there is no reason to even think about having a "goddidit" explanation in evolution.

oh, for GOD'S sake!!!!!! Are you really that stupid????

WE don't come up with goddidit. Your lot does.
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18-05-2015, 03:17 PM
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(18-05-2015 03:15 PM)jockmcdock Wrote:  
(18-05-2015 02:48 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  If you do not believe in a god/God, then there is no reason to even think about having a "goddidit" explanation in evolution.

oh, for GOD'S sake!!!!!! Are you really that stupid????

WE don't come up with goddidit. Your lot does.

Am I talking to a wall here?

Is English your first language?

Isn't that what I just said? Yep... you quoted it.

Want me to post it in Spanish?

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18-05-2015, 03:19 PM
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(18-05-2015 11:33 AM)jockmcdock Wrote:  
(17-05-2015 06:43 PM)objectivetheist Wrote:  It would be essential to go to a doctor. I'm all for science and medicine.

To quote yourself "Majority of people cannot verify these facts but must conform to the scientific clergy. Reminds of the Church."

So, you can verify all the facts about medical treatment? I'm impressed.

Medical research is confirmed once it works. People recover from illnesses. Even then it is experimental and not certain.

Evolution on the other hand is an inferred hypothesis from different observable experiments.

This started with finches, then moths and now genes and DNA. I wouldn't disagree with empirical observed science.
What I would dispute is the inferences made from it.
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18-05-2015, 03:23 PM
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(18-05-2015 03:19 PM)objectivetheist Wrote:  Evolution on the other hand is an inferred hypothesis from different observable experiments.

No, it's actually been observed. It's not a hypothesis.

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