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16-05-2013, 10:10 PM
RE: New Xbox?
^ I do agree. I meant that the majority of the hardware components could be outperformed, but I do appreciate that it will likely perform more efficiently, both OS and hardware due to it being specifically designed as a closed system. I'm also glad they went with the full 8gb of GDDR5, don't know why that isn't the standard on PC GPUs. The Titan costs more than the whole PS4 system will, and its only(still lots by todays standard) got 6gb GDDR5.

The PS4 will undoubtedly perform exceptionally well for quite some time @1080p, but if it gets support for 4k games, I doubt it will impress.
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16-05-2013, 11:16 PM
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Understood. I'm glad they did as well, but you have to consider that discrete GPU's won't need as much RAM as a system that has shared resources. I actually think they may have done better with 10 or 12GB, but DDR5 is expensive stuff.

Typically, you'll see higher amounts of GDDR5 memory in cards that are made to push extremely high resolutions, like the Titan. Even then they don't always use all of that pool because they are rarely pushed all the way up to their max resolution. Those that do push them to their highest maximum resolution are typically using SLI or Xfire setups because high resolutions on a single card typically do not make for high FPS. Also, you have to consider the parallel nature of the GPU, they actually require less RAM for peak performance than their serial CPU counterparts. So 6GB for a single GPU card, in a world where 2 GB per GPU is normal (4GB for GTX 690 for example), is actually quite large.

I agree with you that the PS4 (and by extension the Xbox <Whatever>) will do very well in todays 1080p world, but when everything moves to 4k, it will definitely struggle to keep up. That is, if Sony even enables 4k. If they do, I imagine it'll only be to watch movies at that resolution.

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17-05-2013, 10:13 AM
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(16-05-2013 05:31 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  
(16-05-2013 02:14 PM)ELK12695 Wrote:  Don't buy it. Fuck consoles. Get a good computer and an Nvidia card, if you got the right stuff you can run anything for the next 10 years.

....and then spend hundreds to thousands of dollars upgrading within the next five.

Or waste even more money buying games for blooddripping 60 dollars at Gamestops or Sony/Microsofts prices. It's better to wait half a year for Steamsale than waiting three years to buy the games for half the price. And what you don't buy, just download pirated.

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17-05-2013, 06:01 PM
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I think it's faulty to compare a pc gpu with a console by just comparing memory. Besides, the titan would draw as much power and dissipate as much heat as the console as a whole. There are too many other factors at play that aren't considered.

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17-05-2013, 09:54 PM
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(17-05-2013 06:01 PM)DeepThought Wrote:  I think it's faulty to compare a pc gpu with a console by just comparing memory. Besides, the titan would draw as much power and dissipate as much heat as the console as a whole. There are too many other factors at play that aren't considered.

Faulty comparison? What?

Okay lets compare power consumption... I wasn't saying PC gaming is energy efficient. If the PS4 is greener, thats cool too...



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17-05-2013, 10:13 PM
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Its strange cause... When I googled Captain Planet, it was linked to Don Cheadle.. And Im almost never Don Cheadle, but I am now! Therefore ALIENS!... I'm really high, im sorry
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17-05-2013, 10:16 PM
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(17-05-2013 09:54 PM)WeAreTheCosmos Wrote:  
(17-05-2013 06:01 PM)DeepThought Wrote:  I think it's faulty to compare a pc gpu with a console by just comparing memory. Besides, the titan would draw as much power and dissipate as much heat as the console as a whole. There are too many other factors at play that aren't considered.

Faulty comparison? What?

Okay lets compare power consumption... I wasn't saying PC gaming is energy efficient. If the PS4 is greener, thats cool too...




WTF? comparing a graphics card with a console? Rolleyes

And if you want to talk about energy efficiency it needs to measure power vs performance in a complete system, not one part.

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17-05-2013, 11:47 PM
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PC is always going to be better because you can upgrade PC's and new latest and greatest parts are coming out seemingly every day.
What's the best now is meh in a year.

The point of a console is not to be able to keep up with PC hardware wise.
The point is that I can buy it and I know that it will play any game I buy for it. And if I play multiplayer I know that my system is not a factor like PC because everyone is using the same system. On PC I have to worry about frame rate and all that bullshit. On console it's slap the disk in and I'm away.
Plus, while the mouse and keyboard is the better controller performance wise, the xbox controller (and ps3) are just far better for comfort and ease of use.

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18-05-2013, 08:19 AM (This post was last modified: 18-05-2013 08:27 AM by ELK12695.)
RE: New Xbox?
Here is why gaming computers are better than consoles. The Nr. 1 reason is freedom. When you build your own computer you can piece it together as you wish, and you can do pretty much what you want with it. With consoles, you don't have that freedom, every time you buy a console you get the same package. If something fucks up or you want something new and better in your computer; no big deal, replace it. Some may claim that replacing such things is expensive? Really? So, what have we learned from all those poor fuckers who got their red ring (or screen) of death over and over on their Xbox 360, and bit more rare on their PS3? They had to either replace and buy a entirely new system, or send it to Microsoft or Sony, so that they can reset your system for ridiculous prices, something that takes about 10 mintues to do. Of course you can go rouge and open the console itself and try to fix it, but in the process Microsoft or Sony will block you and report your system defect since modifying your console is illiegal. Is it still that expensive to buy a new processor for your computer? You be the judge. Freedom to choose and modify is pretty important to many, even Gabe Newell, who has said that if they going to make a "Steam Box", they will use Linux to run it since you can modify that as you wish. And Gabe Newell is no idiot. The main reason people buy consoles is because of lack of understandig you need to know to use it. But it's still bullshit, anyone can build a computer if you just read a bit over the net or get a friend to teach it to you. Or you can get a friend to put it together for you, that's what did just two weeks ago. I fucking suck at computers; I don't know jackshit, but what else do you need to know than keeping your hardware cool, not smashing it with a hammer and not downloading a 1 kB binary file from a russian pornsite? Why not just look a little around? Not being trapped within the limit of a console is a great feeling, I will never go back.

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19-05-2013, 07:52 PM
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Why is it that the hardcore PC users always find some stupid reason to come into every single console thread and shit out their reasons for not using a console? We get it, you like PC gaming. I enjoy it myself from time to time, but I happen to like my consoles and their exclusive titles. All of my friends own an Xbox 360, only one other than myself owns a gaming PC.

The simple fact is that consoles make gaming and multimedia much more accessible and easy to use for the average end user. Simply because you or I have spent time learning how to build and use a computer properly doesn't mean everyone else is willing or able to do so. Shitting on these threads only makes you look like petty, or look like you have very basic need to just feel you are on the right side of an argument. It doesn't do you, or anyone else, any good.

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