New Zealand politics, who's pumped for this years election?
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12-08-2014, 08:13 PM
RE: New Zealand politics, who's pumped for this years election?
(12-08-2014 06:43 PM)Res Publica Wrote:  
(12-08-2014 04:10 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  I believe (or at least thought) he said "two Wongs don't make a white".
Which you can understand the uproar as it is racist. Sure, it's funny but the question is not if it's funny or not (even though he's trying to complain that those that complain have no sense of humor), the question is that he is a politician and should not be saying things like that in the public light.

I think it's reinforces my point about him being an attention seeking douche. He just happens to be good entertainment. Tongue

As for the smacking, every opposition party says the same thing. Hell, I even believe Maori says the same thing.

That particular referendum was the first time I voted actually.

That particular referendum was an interesting case. I don't believe New Zealanders understood that bill at all. They thought it would effect them, the average Kiwi, where in fact it was actually aimed at closing a loophole that allowed certain parents in certain cases to get away with physically abusing (not smacking to discipline, but abusing) their children.
In that particular case I believed than as I still do today that National did the right thing. It didn't say you couldn't smack your kids like people thought.

In fact, you watch when politicians talk about that referendum. They never talk about being opposed to closing loopholes in the law, they never talk about being opposed to anything in the bill. They state that referendum's results should be mandatory, completely side stepping the fact that the anti-smacking bill was not about punishing parents but about closing a loophole in the law that allowed parents in certain situations to get away with abuse.

Like I said, I disagree with him on this. But I still think he could be NZ's best hope for a free and unIslamic society.

I lol'd. Son, you have zero fucking clue as to what immigration is like in NZ.
It's nothing like the EU or NA.
And besides, religion in this country is pretty much non-existent. We have about 50% 'no-religion' population, higher percentage in youth. Religion is never brought up and is never issue. It's not like Scandinavia where it's not mentioned because it's considered rude, here it's not mentioned because people just don't care. Religion is a non-issue.

Quote:Actually, I think NZers were voting against a Nanny State, where the government thinks it has the responsibility to control how mothers and fathers bring up their children.

And this is the misconception about that bill. It wouldn't effect the average mother and father at all. It was the anti-smacking bill (or amendment, whatever one) but it didn't prevent parents smacking their children as a form of discipline. I can't remember the exact wording (and can't be fucked looking it up) but it said something along the lines of "excessive force above what would considered reasonable". This is not saying people can't smack their kids, it's saying you can't smack your kids to the point where they can't sit down because they have a massive bruise on their ass.
This is what people didn't understand.

Sometimes unpopular decisions are necessary. I'm glad he had a backbone in this case to stand his ground, it was unpopular but it was the right thing.

And regarding NZers not wanting a nanny state, I disagree to an extent. NZers want a lot of what would be considered nanny state behavior. State housing, state healthcare, state education, state owned enterprises (what a shit storm that was. NZ should be thankful I wasn't PM, I would have sold 100% not just 49% but w/e), higher taxes on the rich etc.. all this stuff. We're a very socialist country (don't get me wrong, I think it's good that we have a lot of socialist tendencies). It's sort of like we want half and half actually. We want a nanny state for our vulnerable citizens (children, elderly etc..) but we want to be left alone for our working citizens.
Except when it comes to housing of course. Than we're just straight up, as Jamie Whyte puts it, communistic.

Did you watch the debate on Saturday btw? Shit it was funny. Cuntface Craig got a good assrimming. But wtf was he thinking? Suing TV3 to get onto the debate, of course he was going to get picked on.

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12-08-2014, 08:29 PM
RE: New Zealand politics, who's pumped for this years election?
(12-08-2014 08:13 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  And this is the misconception about that bill. It wouldn't effect the average mother and father at all. It was the anti-smacking bill (or amendment, whatever one) but it didn't prevent parents smacking their children as a form of discipline. I can't remember the exact wording (and can't be fucked looking it up) but it said something along the lines of "excessive force above what would considered reasonable". This is not saying people can't smack their kids, it's saying you can't smack your kids to the point where they can't sit down because they have a massive bruise on their ass.
This is what people didn't understand.
Nah, people understand what John was selling it as, but we are wiser than that. What is written into law is more intrusive than what we want. We don't accept the "trust me, we will only enforce in extreme circumstances". That is naiive and is giving Govt too much power.
(12-08-2014 08:13 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  NZers want a lot of what would be considered nanny state behavior. State housing, state healthcare, state education, state owned enterprises...
We're a very socialist country (don't get me wrong, I think it's good that we have a lot of socialist tendencies).
We're a mixed economy.
It doesn't make sense to provide health only to those that can't afford it. It doesn't make sense to make guns available to all, it doesn't make sense to have only the rich go to school and get an edukayshun.
Nanny state is more to do with the restrictive laws i.e. outlawing smacking of children, outlawing big screen tvs, outlawing prostitution, outlawing gay marriage, outlawing junk food.
Making out that the people are children whom need rules on how to behave.
These things don't endanger society, they aren't government's concern.
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12-08-2014, 10:53 PM
RE: New Zealand politics, who's pumped for this years election?
Quote:Nah, people understand what John was selling it as, but we are wiser than that. What is written into law is more intrusive than what we want. We don't accept the "trust me, we will only enforce in extreme circumstances". That is naiive and is giving Govt too much power.

Except that the judicial system, the system that will uphold and interpret the law is a separate entity from the government. If the law is written that allows there to be a distinguish between a good parent smacking their child for discipline and a parents beating the shit out their child, than that distinction will be made.
It's not government intruding on our lives, it's the public misunderstanding/misinterpreting an amendment (or bil, w/e it was) and/or politicians not "selling" it very well.

Quote:We're a mixed economy.
It doesn't make sense to provide health only to those that can't afford it. It doesn't make sense to make guns available to all, it doesn't make sense to have only the rich go to school and get an edukayshun.
Nanny state is more to do with the restrictive laws i.e. outlawing smacking of children, outlawing big screen tvs, outlawing prostitution, outlawing gay marriage, outlawing junk food.
Making out that the people are children whom need rules on how to behave.
These things don't endanger society, they aren't government's concern.

I agree these aren't the governments concern, that's why I'm voting National/ACT.
But it wasn't restricting parents ability to discipline their children.

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28-08-2014, 09:02 PM
RE: New Zealand politics, who's pumped for this years election?
See this face? This is my not-happy face.

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28-08-2014, 09:04 PM
RE: New Zealand politics, who's pumped for this years election?
(28-08-2014 09:02 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  See this face? This is my not-happy face.

The Maori sweep the elections and vote to evict all you pale devils from their island?

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28-08-2014, 09:06 PM
RE: New Zealand politics, who's pumped for this years election?
Still 22days, so not yet.

It's too fucking close. We're gonna have a repeat of 96' where Peters dicked around for fucking ages bathing in the limelight. He's gonna determine who gets in this election I think which means fucking shitcuntballs Labor will get in.

If there was ever a time to leave the country it'll be after this election I suspect.

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28-08-2014, 09:58 PM
RE: New Zealand politics, who's pumped for this years election?
Did the Maori win?

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28-08-2014, 10:00 PM
RE: New Zealand politics, who's pumped for this years election?
(28-08-2014 09:06 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  If there was ever a time to leave the country it'll be after this election I suspect.

Who the fuck's gonna take you silly. ... Oh, I know. The Maori.

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28-08-2014, 10:26 PM
RE: New Zealand politics, who's pumped for this years election?
I suspect the Maori would pay to get rid of me.
I could go stay with you Girly. Tongue Wouldn't that be a hoot.

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29-08-2014, 03:16 PM
RE: New Zealand politics, who's pumped for this years election?
(28-08-2014 10:26 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  I suspect the Maori would pay to get rid of me.
I could go stay with you Girly. Tongue Wouldn't that be a hoot.

Consider ... How much you think they'd be willing to pay? I could whore you out.

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