New astrophysical discoveries leave little to no room for Atheism, expert says
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19-06-2012, 11:45 AM
New astrophysical discoveries leave little to no room for Atheism, expert says
Posted by a devout Catholic on his FB page, and thought it funny that the guy in the article is an astrophysicist and a Jesuit.
His story is In This Article

Here are a few gems

“The concept at this point is clear: nothing is nothing, and from nothing, nothing comes, since nothing is... nothing!” Fr. Spitzer said, to explain the fact that contemporary astrophysics demands “something with sufficient power to bring the universe into existence.”
“It sounds like a theological argument, but is really a scientific conclusion.
“There is no way to ignore the fact that it demands the existence of a singularity and therefore of a Creator outside space and time,” he added.
or this

According to Fr. Spitzer, “this theory has become so scientifically solid, that 50% of astrophysicists are “coming out of the closet” an accepting a metaphysical conclusion: the need of a Creator.”



Again, here is the "God of the gaps" argument. He states that since science cannot right now give all the answers then there must be a God, no doubt.

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19-06-2012, 11:49 AM
RE: New astrophysical discoveries leave little to no room for Atheism, expert says
He's talking out of his ass. Fifty percent of astrophysicists are supposed to be Creationists?

Then again, he's a Catholic, which means it's not really surprising to hear this random bullshit.

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19-06-2012, 11:50 AM
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Upon further review, this guy's academic credentials are as follows.1



Ph.D. Catholic University of America, 1984-88. Philosophy Summa cum Laude.
Dissertation: A Study of Objectively Real Time. Director: Paul Weiss.

Th.M. Weston School (Cambridge), 1983-84. Theology (Scripture). Summa cum Laude. Thesis: The Depth Grammar of “Pneuma” and “En Christo” in I Cor. 12.

M.Div. Gregorian University (Rome), 1980-83. Theology. Summa cum Laude.
Thesis: Early Christological Hymns.

M.A. St. Louis University, 1976-78. Philosophy. (Research) Magna cum Laude
Thesis: The Metaphysical Proof of God’s Existence in the De Ente Et Essentia of St. Thomas Aquinas.

B.B.A. Gonzaga University, 1970-74. Public Accounting and Finance Magna Cum Laude.

High School Punahou High School (Honolulu, Hawaii), 1970 National Honors Society.

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19-06-2012, 11:52 AM
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Here is another fun gem:

“What can we conclude of this? First that the Creator is really smart... and second that it must be a loving one, because He could choose so many more violent and chaotic alternatives, that it really has to make you wonder.”



We should conclude he's a loving god? What about disease, war, pain, death, suffering. And if he's the god of the old testament, then there is a whole new debate...

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19-06-2012, 11:55 AM
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(19-06-2012 11:52 AM)FaceOfBoe Wrote:  Here is another fun gem:

“What can we conclude of this? First that the Creator is really smart... and second that it must be a loving one, because He could choose so many more violent and chaotic alternatives, that it really has to make you wonder.”


We should conclude he's a loving god? What about disease, war, pain, death, suffering. And if he's the god of the old testament, then there is a whole new debate...
There are also parasitic wasps which, according to his theory, must have been created by this "loving" God. Surely a loving being would create an insect whose larvae have to eat the pray they've been laid in from inside while it's still alive.

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19-06-2012, 11:59 AM
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I'll believe it when he names me a list of names for the 50% of astrophysicists that support this theory.

Could someone tell me wat the significance of a singularity is. How could it prove the existence of a creator.

Also, guy is trying to prove somehting with science, isn't that impossible? The theories are taken down and retested, so this would just be another theory.

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19-06-2012, 12:02 PM
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(19-06-2012 11:45 AM)FaceOfBoe Wrote:  According to Fr. Spitzer, “this theory has become so scientifically solid, that 50% of astrophysicists are “coming out of the closet” an accepting a metaphysical conclusion: the need of a Creator.”

Again, here is the "God of the gaps" argument. He states that since science cannot right now give all the answers then there must be a God, no doubt.
I think that was "50% of [Catholic] astrophysicists are..."

Haven't seen the census results of astrophysicists...is that 3 out of 6?

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19-06-2012, 12:07 PM
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(19-06-2012 11:45 AM)FaceOfBoe Wrote:  According to Fr. Spitzer, “this theory has become so scientifically solid, that 50% of astrophysicists are “coming out of the closet” an accepting a metaphysical conclusion: the need of a Creator.”

Cool! I want to name this new field of metaphysical physics study: Astrolo-physics. Of course to obtain this degree, you will need to fully explain your star sign.
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19-06-2012, 12:28 PM
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Never listen to someone with a PhD from a university with the word "Catholic" in it.

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19-06-2012, 01:52 PM
RE: New astrophysical discoveries leave little to no room for Atheism, expert says
Someone who has devoted their life to the study of God decides to investigate the origin of the universe and finds... GOD!

Mind. Blown.

The wonderful thing about religion is that you start with the answer and then try to find a way for all questions to lead you there.

If Jesus died for our sins, why is there still sin? If man was created from dust, why is there still dust? If Americans came from Europe, why are there still Europeans?
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