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16-11-2010, 03:27 PM
New creationist argument?
This one claims that theories aren't proven, instead that over time once a theory has been proven it becomes a scientific law...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQgs-dExYgE

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16-11-2010, 07:45 PM
RE: New creationist argument?
This is an issue that confuses many as the two words (theory and law)
have two very different meanings. But in science, their meanings are very
similar. A theory is an explanation that is backed up by "a considerable body
of evidence" while a law is a set of regularities expressed in a "mathematical
statement". This is why Newton's Laws of Motion are referred to as laws and
not theories. Newton's laws are expressed in equations like f = ma for his 2nd
Law of Motion. Evolution and in fact most of biology in general can not be
expressed in concise mathematical equation so it is referred to as a theory.
A scientific law is not "better" or "more accurate" than a theory.

This argument is far from new and you'll hear it come up all of the time when
creationists or IDiots tell you that "EVOLUTION IS JUST A THEORY!".

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17-11-2010, 12:16 AM
RE: New creationist argument?
Hello there! It seems that many believers conveniently confuse theory and hypothesis. Most believers I know use this kind of arguments against evolution, but they fail when they try to prove the validity of creationist ideas. Mindproler is right; evolution cannot be a law because it cannot be explained through mathematical equations, but is a theory because there are a lot of empirical evidence to sustain evolution. Most of the time believers will always claim that evolution is a THEORY just because they dont (or they dont want to) understand the true meaning for scientific theories. Dont worry you will always hear a lot of imbecile arguments from believers, dont get frustrated or angry, you know that rationality and common sense are on your side. Peace.

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17-11-2010, 03:05 AM
RE: New creationist argument?
I am sure that kid has spent years studing evolution and knows everything about it. He probabbly has spent years studing the history of religion and the bible. He has also studied the psychlogy of religion and has ..........Can I be any more sarcastic? Probably not.
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15-12-2010, 09:51 PM
RE: New creationist argument?
Okay can you guys seriously help me out here. It would appear that 99.99999999% of my school body is against me on this Law not greater than Theory deal. I try and try again to show them that yes, theories do have more "credibility" or "confidence" than laws, but they do not believe me. They ask teachers, and teachers also tell them that Laws have more "proof" than Theories (this is truly embarassing because most of them are science teachers).

Can someone help me put together a convincing case that PROVES that Theory is the highest level of proof anything in science can achieve?

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15-12-2010, 10:22 PM
RE: New creationist argument?
Try looking at history.
Show how a hypothesis slowly became a theory through observation and evidence gathering.
You may need to do a lot of digging.If i were you i'd present as a documentary.

But your biggest problem will be willful ignorance.I've seen it and experienced it often in debates.
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16-12-2010, 02:03 AM
RE: New creationist argument?
Try moving to a,.....drum roll please..................................[[[["REAL SCHOOL."]]]]
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16-12-2010, 02:12 AM
RE: New creationist argument?
Aren't a lot of schools influenced by overly religious administration ?
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16-12-2010, 02:19 AM
RE: New creationist argument?
Show them the dictionary definition of a theory in scientific context...

[Image: theory.jpg]

And then show them the dictionary definition of law in scientific context...

[Image: lawcr.jpg]

Are dictionary definitions good enough for them?
Remind them that these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory#List...e_theories are also "only theories".

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16-12-2010, 09:39 AM
RE: New creationist argument?
Dawkins does a great job of explaining this in simple terms in the first chapter of The Greatest Show on Earth. Definitely get a hold of that book. It will really help you put your arguments into a scientific mindset.

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