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31-10-2015, 10:18 AM
News Story: Think religion makes society less violent? Think again.
One of my favorite authors had a story in the news. All information I have posted before based on his book, Godless Society, but nice to see it in the news.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-...story.html

Worth a click to read, here are some excerpts:

If it were true that when belief in God weakens, societal well-being diminishes, then we should see abundant evidence for this. But we don't. In fact, we find just the opposite: Those societies today that are the most religious — where faith in God is strong and religious participation is high — tend to have the highest violent crime rates, while those societies in which faith and church attendance are the weakest — the most secular societies — tend to have the lowest.

We can start at the international level. The most secular societies today include Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Czech Republic, Estonia, Japan, Britain, France, the Netherlands, Germany, South Korea, New Zealand, Australia, Vietnam, Hungary, China and Belgium. The most religious societies include Nigeria, Uganda, the Philippines, Pakistan, Morocco, Egypt, Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, El Salvador, Colombia, Senegal, Malawi, Indonesia, Brazil, Peru, Jordan, Algeria, Ghana, Venezuela, Mexico and Sierra Leone.

It is the highly secularized countries that tend to fare the best in terms of crime rates, prosperity, equality, freedom, democracy, women's rights, human rights, educational attainment and life expectancy. (Although there are exceptions, such as Vietnam and China, which have famously poor human rights records.) And those nations with the highest rates of religiosity tend to be the most problem-ridden in terms of high violent crime rates, high infant mortality rates, high poverty rates and high rates of corruption.

Take homicide. According to the United Nations' 2011 Global Study on Homicide, of the 10 nations with the highest homicide rates, all are very religious, and many — such as Colombia, Mexico, El Salvador and Brazil — are among the most theistic nations in the world. Of the nations with the lowest homicide rates, nearly all are very secular, with seven ranking among the least theistic nations, such as Sweden, Japan, Norway and the Netherlands.

Now consider the flip side: peacefulness. According to the nonprofit organization Vision of Humanity, which publishes an annual Global Peace Index, each of the 10 safest and most peaceful nations in the world is also among the most secular, least God-believing in the world. Most of the least safe and peaceful nations, conversely, are extremely religious.

What about within the United States? According to the latest study from the Pew Research Center, the 10 states that report the highest levels of belief in God are Louisiana, Arkansas, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Kentucky, Tennessee and Oklahoma (tied with Utah). The 10 states with the lowest levels of belief in God are Maine, Vermont, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, New York, Alaska, Oregon and California. And as is the case in the rest of the world, when it comes to nearly all standard measures of societal health, including homicide rates, the least theistic states generally fare much better than the most theistic. Consider child-abuse fatality rates: Highly religious Mississippi's is twice that of highly secular New Hampshire's, and highly religious Kentucky's is four times higher than highly secular Oregon's.


yes, yes, this should be on the nightly news Smartass

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31-10-2015, 11:28 AM
RE: News Story: Think religion makes society less violent? Think again.
I wonder how all that jives with relative poverty? At a glance it looks like societies with decent incomes on average, are more likely to be secular. I think poverty is the chicken laying the theistic egg.
Same with the states in the example.
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31-10-2015, 11:35 AM
RE: News Story: Think religion makes society less violent? Think again.
(31-10-2015 10:18 AM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  ...
yes, yes, this should be on the nightly news Smartass

... and on the news, nightly.

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31-10-2015, 11:48 AM (This post was last modified: 31-10-2015 11:52 AM by ghostexorcist.)
RE: News Story: Think religion makes society less violent? Think again.
Of course commentators are bringing up how atheistic nations are historically linked with genocide. HOWEVER, they are either hiding or ignorant of the fact that Communism was the cause of these deaths, not atheism. These governments took an atheistic stance simply because they wanted the people to worship the state. Take North Korea, for example. The Kim family are treated like god kings.
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31-10-2015, 11:52 AM
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indeed, anything that challenged the ruler's authority was smashed.
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31-10-2015, 12:01 PM
RE: News Story: Think religion makes society less violent? Think again.
(31-10-2015 11:28 AM)skyking Wrote:  I wonder how all that jives with relative poverty? At a glance it looks like societies with decent incomes on average, are more likely to be secular. I think poverty is the chicken laying the theistic egg.
Same with the states in the example.

poverty, ignorance, religion and violence go hand-in-hand in a self-strengthening, ever-growing cycle. Take one out and the cycle starts to crumble.

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31-10-2015, 12:19 PM
RE: News Story: Think religion makes society less violent? Think again.
Yeah, very reluctant to put my own confirmation biases on the table with this one. I agree that making these kind of correlations could be putting the cart before the horse. Religion may well be simply a means of coping with such ails of society for most folks.

However it does stand to reason that communities of like mindedness not grounded on a firm foundation of reality would be greatly hindered in intellectual advancement.

I don't recall Steven Pinker drawing any lines to similar conclusions in his book titled 'Better Angles of Our Nature' citing that violence in general is in great decline.
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02-11-2015, 09:43 AM
RE: News Story: Think religion makes society less violent? Think again.
Zuckermann doesn't claim causality, but the data does drive a steak through the assertion that loss of religion is a major contributor to societal collapse.
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02-11-2015, 02:20 PM
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Well....Confused.... see....All the worst, most violent countries are Catholic which is run by that devil Pope antichrist fella Lecture_preist so they're not true christians. There's your real probem.

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02-11-2015, 03:56 PM
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(02-11-2015 09:43 AM)Iñigo Wrote:  Zuckermann doesn't claim causality, but the data does drive a steak through the assertion that loss of religion is a major contributor to societal collapse.

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