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06-05-2015, 04:44 PM
RE: No Evidence Vs Evidence
(06-05-2015 12:08 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(06-05-2015 11:57 AM)Chas Wrote:  If it is an observable fact, confirmable by others, it is evidence. You may not know what it is evidence of, but it is most certainly evidence of something.

So every "observable condition" as was previously put, is evidence. The ruffled clothing, the bruises are all evidence, prior to any conclusion being drawn from them.

The Bible is evidence, the only question is, evidence for what?

The bible is evidence of lots of things. Like the way people looked at things way back then. It isn't evidence that there is a god, though.

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06-05-2015, 04:58 PM
RE: No Evidence Vs Evidence
At work.

The bible, at best, is only hearsay... Not evidence.
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06-05-2015, 05:19 PM
RE: No Evidence Vs Evidence
The bible is the claim. There is no evidence to support it.

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06-05-2015, 08:23 PM
RE: No Evidence Vs Evidence
(06-05-2015 12:08 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  So every "observable condition" as was previously put, is evidence. The ruffled clothing, the bruises are all evidence, prior to any conclusion being drawn from them.

The Bible is evidence, the only question is, evidence for what?

Printing ink and paper. Same as any book. Publishers. Nothing more.

Books aren't evidence of anything except books. If my book says "you can increase the strength of two boards by fastening them together" the fact that it is written doesn't count as evidence. It counts as a claim. When the professor brings in two boards and shows that they bear his weight when screwed together, but break when simply stacked with no screws that counts as evidence.

The bible is the claim. It is only evidence of the printing presses that printed it.
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06-05-2015, 08:35 PM
RE: No Evidence Vs Evidence
(06-05-2015 08:23 PM)natachan Wrote:  
(06-05-2015 12:08 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  So every "observable condition" as was previously put, is evidence. The ruffled clothing, the bruises are all evidence, prior to any conclusion being drawn from them.

The Bible is evidence, the only question is, evidence for what?

Printing ink and paper. Same as any book. Publishers. Nothing more.

Books aren't evidence of anything except books. If my book says "you can increase the strength of two boards by fastening them together" the fact that it is written doesn't count as evidence. It counts as a claim. When the professor brings in two boards and shows that they bear his weight when screwed together, but break when simply stacked with no screws that counts as evidence.

The bible is the claim. It is only evidence of the printing presses that printed it.

Also can we trust the Bible as evidence when it has been redacted, copied, and translated over time to fit a variety of different languages/cultures?
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06-05-2015, 08:40 PM
RE: No Evidence Vs Evidence
(06-05-2015 04:58 PM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  At work.

The bible, at best, is only hearsay... Not evidence.

Evidence of hearsay?

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06-05-2015, 08:43 PM
RE: No Evidence Vs Evidence
(06-05-2015 08:35 PM)jennybee Wrote:  Also can we trust the Bible as evidence when it has been redacted, copied, and translated over time to fit a variety of different languages/cultures?

Evidence for the fact that people have obscured long ago whatever the bible might have said?

Everything you can see is evidence of something. It just may not be evidence of what people may assume.

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06-05-2015, 08:45 PM
RE: No Evidence Vs Evidence
(06-05-2015 08:43 PM)Dom Wrote:  
(06-05-2015 08:35 PM)jennybee Wrote:  Also can we trust the Bible as evidence when it has been redacted, copied, and translated over time to fit a variety of different languages/cultures?

Evidence for the fact that people have obscured long ago whatever the bible might have said?

Everything you can see is evidence of something. It just may not be evidence of what people may assume.

Good point!

Evidence of the Bible being the true word of god...
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06-05-2015, 08:47 PM
RE: No Evidence Vs Evidence
(06-05-2015 08:40 PM)Dom Wrote:  
(06-05-2015 04:58 PM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  At work.

The bible, at best, is only hearsay... Not evidence.

Evidence of hearsay?

Laugh out load

I do like the connotations of that comment.

The bible is but the written recordings of the hearsay of the time.

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07-05-2015, 08:07 AM
RE: No Evidence Vs Evidence
(06-05-2015 09:20 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  Let's say we come across a dead body, perhaps a scene of a crime, we see a variety of things like ruffled clothes, some bruises, etc...And a variety of people draw a seemingly infinite number of conclusion based on these things, a nearly infinite series of explanations.

Since all these explanations incorporate these observations, could we accuse any of these explanations of having "no evidence" at all? Or is it only the true and accurate conclusion that has evidence, while the other ones don't?

I would say that in your scenario there is insufficient evidence to form a conclusion without further examination such as an autopsy. Are you trying to compare this scenario with god belief, because the two are not comparable.

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