No Gender December: Does it even matter?
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21-12-2016, 06:40 PM (This post was last modified: 21-12-2016 06:45 PM by ghostexorcist.)
RE: No Gender December: Does it even matter?
(21-12-2016 05:12 AM)SYZ Wrote:  Here in Australia, certain elements of our community are promoting a campaign called "No Gender December" which promotes the gifting of non-gender toys to children.

http://www.essentialkids.com.au/entertai...219-gtemlu.....

Research has shown that gendered toys give girls the message that STEM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) careers aren't in their territory, and let boys know that they're not the family nurturers.

and,

These career and lifestyle constraints are already evident in children by the age of nine...

The campaign itself is based around the assertion that the STEM occupations unfairly attract salaries around 80% higher than non-STEM occupations, and the inference that females are ultimately less likely to work in STEM-based occupations largely because of their earlier "feminine" gender stereotyping as children.

Despite the fact that there is no statistical evidence supporting this assertion, it's being claimed in all seriousness by the usual "rent-a-crowd" of largely female agitators. I spent my entire life working in a STEM occupation (engineering) and never witnessed any evidence of advantageous male salaries across the civil or structural engineering, quantity surveying, drafting, construction, manufacturing, or building etc fields. Those pay rates are fixed in Australia, and apply equally to both males and females—with the appropriate tertiary qualifications—under the Commonwealth Equal Opportunity Act 2010.

What is statistically evidenced in the US is that at tertiary education entrance levels, more females undertake Arts degrees, rather than a STEM or science degree.

[Image: percent-bachelors-degrees-women-usa.png]

Note the lowest degree numbers by profession: engineering, computer science, physical science, and architecture. And the highest: health, public admin, education, and psychology.

So the question is: does playing with dolls and tea-sets, and wearing pink fairy dresses as a child lead you to an Arts degree, and does playing with toy cars and train sets, and wearing blue overalls lead you to a science degree?

Or is the whole gender bias v. "hard" degrees just a myth?

You may find this article interesting...

Quote:http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...evolution/

Chimp "Girls" Play With "Dolls" Too—First Wild Evidence

Nature and nurture may both influence gender-based toy choices.
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21-12-2016, 06:41 PM
RE: No Gender December: Does it even matter?
My daughter plays with a Freddy Krueger doll. What gender is that for?
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21-12-2016, 06:56 PM (This post was last modified: 21-12-2016 07:05 PM by epronovost.)
RE: No Gender December: Does it even matter?
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Gender disparities in employments have a lot of causes. Yes, early education can play a role in it. It's no suprise that if you introduce children to science in a very positive fashion you enhance their chances to seek a career in the same domain (or a very connex one). Toys, and games, can nurture certain skills and interests. You would be hard press to find someone working at NASA who didn't played with toy rocket ships, legos and watching TV show like Star Trek. Like Aliza elegantly puts it, toys can be, and frequently are heavily gendered and marketed to a specific demographic. Nothing prevents a boy to play with gilr toys and vice versa, but children are not that stupid, they see a contradiction in the message vehiculated by society, their parents and publicity. Most have already developped a certain belonging to one group or the other and will stick to their group "rules and practices" to a certain point. Of course, this is meerly a single cause for gender disparities in employment and as of now nobody can claim to know them all with certainty. Personnaly, I can explain about four different, one of which is early childhood education and socialisation (the others being, related to the work environment, biological anthropology and adult cultural practices).

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21-12-2016, 08:15 PM
RE: No Gender December: Does it even matter?
(21-12-2016 06:41 PM)Dark Wanderer Wrote:  My daughter plays with a Freddy Krueger doll. What gender is that for?

She's going to grow up to direct scary teenage movies and make millions.

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23-12-2016, 09:35 AM
RE: No Gender December: Does it even matter?
(21-12-2016 06:40 PM)ghostexorcist Wrote:  You may find this article interesting...

Quote:http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...evolution/

Chimp "Girls" Play With "Dolls" Too—First Wild Evidence

Nature and nurture may both influence gender-based toy choices.

Thanks for the link—hadn't seen that info before. I've always thought there was some degree of different "hard wiring" in male v. female brains.

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26-12-2016, 01:18 PM
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Interesting article that supports the "hard-wired" brain theory...

http://www.webmd.com/brain/features/how-...s-differ#1

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26-12-2016, 01:28 PM
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The activist kool-aid just keeps getting more and more spiked with , stupidity 200 proof.

No it doesn't matter. But in a world where there's a collective hoping to manifest a real life Borg, that isn't always obvious.

Bruce Jenner ! Notice how he's dropped off the public radar? After he got away with vehicular manslaughter due to reckless driving he went into hiding. That and when he found out the bus he chartered to make a tranny tour around the country was populated by shemales who demanded to be tolerated as chicks with dicks , use that feminine pronoun to address us or else mister! But they were completely intolerant on the bus when finding out Bruce was a Republican!

That was a reality show that came to a close right quick.

We demand the right to use the women's bathroom even when we look like a male gorilla wearing falsies and stilettos, hiding in a tuck panty a 9 inch Johnson under a micro-mini.
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Laugh out load

So a no-gender toys campaign is just the next level of sick. Besides, it's those activists that are the bigots thinking some child's sex makes toys gender exclusive in the first place.

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26-12-2016, 05:47 PM
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(26-12-2016 01:28 PM)Whoopsie Daisy Wrote:  a bunch of transphobic alarmist nonsense
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26-12-2016, 05:56 PM (This post was last modified: 26-12-2016 06:04 PM by GenesisNemesis.)
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(21-12-2016 07:28 AM)Vosur Wrote:  
(21-12-2016 05:12 AM)SYZ Wrote:  The campaign itself is based around the assertion that the STEM occupations unfairly attract salaries around 80% higher than non-STEM occupations [...]
How can anyone say that it's unfair with a straight face? There's nothing unfair about a feminist dance therapy professor being paid less than an engineer who actually contributes something to society. Laugh out load

Not saying they should be paid equally, but therapy does contribute to society. Dance is also a good form of exercise. I see no reason to completely dismiss dance as a form of therapy. Seems completely plausible that it'd help some people. Blink

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26-12-2016, 06:03 PM
RE: No Gender December: Does it even matter?
(26-12-2016 01:18 PM)SYZ Wrote:  Interesting article that supports the "hard-wired" brain theory...

http://www.webmd.com/brain/features/how-...s-differ#1

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We have different understanding of this article. In my opinion, it seems to support the "soft-wired" brain theory over the "blank slate" brain theory and the "hard-wired" brain theory. The "soft-wired" theory explain the difference between men and women neural construct as mostly due to environmental condition (like culture, education, alimentation, life experience, healthcare, etc.), with very little "hard-wired" differences, the existing one's being mostly due to hormones. The "hard-wired" brain theory state the opposite, that environmental condition plays a relatively small role compared to "hard-wired" neural construct. The "blank slate" theory state that there is no such thing as a "hard-wired" neural construct difference between humans. To my knowledge, the "soft-wired" brain theory seems to be the most supported at the moment. In all cases, it's a nice little article.

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