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16-08-2017, 08:38 AM
No more lips service GOP/ OP ED
Dear GOP,

We saw this same fake scolding during 45s run, when he made comments about Hispanics, and McCain and Carly's looks and even Paul Ryan once condemning 45 on comments on blacks. You cannot have it both ways. You cannot reward such vile rhetoric as to claim those standing up to bigotry as being equal to that bigotry.

It has been said by many in recent days and I agree. How many Jews who live in Germany today would like it if there were statues to Goebbles or Rommel or Hitler just because they were part of German history? It is a very vile doge to claim that the left is trying to erase history. No we are not. Slavery should be taught in museums of what not to do to your fellow human beings. Slavery should be taught in history books as a lesson of what not to do to your fellow human beings.

The problem with leaving those statues up, is when they were put up is that they were glorifying those who defended keeping slavery as heros. Blacks feel the same way about those statues as Jews rightfully do about Hitler.

It is time you stop coddling 45 just to keep power and do the right thing. His repeated vilification and dangerous rhetoric cannot be tolerated if one is to claim to value a open pluralistic west. 45 has attacked anyone who challenges his power and has pandered to the worst in our society. No, sorry moderate voters of that party, nobody is claiming everyone who votes GOP are violent bigots. The left is not claiming that one bit. But if you continue to reward 45 by keeping him in office, you will be shitting on the memory of not only MLK, but Heather Herey and all those who died fighting for the end of segregation.

Hate of hate is not the same as promoting hate. There is no other rightful response to Nazi supporters or KKK members than the strongest and blunt condemnation. McCain did the right thing when the lady in the crowed spoke of Obama being "other" despite any loss of votes. If you Mitt or Marco agree that hate has no place in politics, then you know what the right thing is to do. If you do not impeach 45 now, you will be setting the stage for that hate to gain more political power and more violence and even the erosion of our checks on power.

We will not go back to the days of Jim Crow, McCarthyism. We will not allow political vilification and political demagoguery. There is nothing good that can come from leaving 45 in office. He is dangerous to national stability and political civility. Now please do the right thing. Unity cannot be made by repeated vilification in politics. This must end before it is too late.

Sincerely,

The vast majority of Americans.

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16-08-2017, 10:20 AM
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Lolololololololololololololololololololololololololol.

Hillary lost. Get over it. Trump is doing everything he was elected to do. Obviously he can't force Congress to do their job and pass laws, so he'll have to do what he can to fulfill some of his promises the executive way. He put Gorshich on the supreme court. Huge bust in the Midwest just took a bunch of ms-13 gangsters off the streets. Illegal immigration has slowed down considerably.

This racist narrative won't work either. The American people have heard Trump say a million times how he feels about racism.

You far leftists (media, celebrities, feminists, angry atheists) have been off the rails since about 11pm on Nov 8th 2016. Nothing you do will change the fact that Trump is president.

Nothing.

If Trump were to be impeached over a phony narrative, there would be riots in the streets. And Trump supporters won't be armed with just rocks and baseball bats. You're talking about the largest group of armed people in the world.

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16-08-2017, 10:40 AM
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(16-08-2017 10:20 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Hillary lost. Get over it...

Not so in actuality—or the real world in any other Western country LOL. She actually received 2,870,000 more popular votes than Trump.

In fact, Trump's "expertise" in maths and logic is so poor that he's quoted as saying on 22 December 2016 “I would have done even better in the election, if that is possible, if the winner was based on popular vote", (rather than the Electoral College system). Shocking

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16-08-2017, 10:46 AM
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(16-08-2017 10:40 AM)SYZ Wrote:  
(16-08-2017 10:20 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Hillary lost. Get over it...

Not so in actuality—or the real world in any other Western country LOL. She actually received 2,870,000 more popular votes than Trump.

In fact, Trump's "expertise" in maths and logic is so poor that he's quoted as saying on 22 December 2016 “I would have done even better in the election, if that is possible, if the winner was based on popular vote", (rather than the Electoral College system). Shocking

There's no way to know how the election would look if we used a popular vote. Most republicans in California and New York don't vote because they are so outnumbered that voting is a waste of time. Millions just stay home. In the California 2016 election they didn't even have any republicans on the ballot in the congressional races, so republicans had no reason to show up. That's what Trump was saying. He didn't bother campaigning in states like California because he had no chance there. If we used a popular vote, candidates would have to campaign in EVERY state, and the results would be much different than they are now.

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16-08-2017, 11:21 AM
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(16-08-2017 10:20 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  If Trump were to be impeached over a phony narrative, there would be riots in the streets. And Trump supporters won't be armed with just rocks and baseball bats. You're talking about the largest group of armed people in the world.

And they'd be wiped out. You think a bunch of bubbas with guns is going to accomplish anything?
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16-08-2017, 11:25 AM
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The military won't back him up for sure in such a situation. That became clear this morning. They will serve the country, not a wannabe dictator.

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16-08-2017, 12:48 PM
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(16-08-2017 10:46 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(16-08-2017 10:40 AM)SYZ Wrote:  Not so in actuality—or the real world in any other Western country LOL. She actually received 2,870,000 more popular votes than Trump.

In fact, Trump's "expertise" in maths and logic is so poor that he's quoted as saying on 22 December 2016 “I would have done even better in the election, if that is possible, if the winner was based on popular vote", (rather than the Electoral College system). Shocking

There's no way to know how the election would look if we used a popular vote. Most republicans in California and New York don't vote because they are so outnumbered that voting is a waste of time. Millions just stay home. In the California 2016 election they didn't even have any republicans on the ballot in the congressional races, so republicans had no reason to show up. That's what Trump was saying. He didn't bother campaigning in states like California because he had no chance there. If we used a popular vote, candidates would have to campaign in EVERY state, and the results would be much different than they are now.

I have to agree with this. Not necessarily that Trump would have done better, but that we have no way of knowing what the result would have been. You can't project the popular vote from the current system to a different system where popular vote is the decider. It would completely change the strategies of the candidates, and probably the actions of many voters as well.
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16-08-2017, 12:54 PM
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(16-08-2017 10:20 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Lolololololololololololololololololololololololololol. ... Huge bust in the Midwest just took a bunch of ms-13 gangsters off the streets.

There are more MS-13 members in my neighborhood than the 100 they caught. Yuuuuuuge bust.

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16-08-2017, 01:53 PM
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(16-08-2017 10:20 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  If Trump were to be impeached over a phony narrative, there would be riots in the streets.

I doubt Trump supporters could tell the difference, so riots would be inevitable.
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17-08-2017, 02:40 PM
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(16-08-2017 10:46 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  If we used a popular vote, candidates would have to campaign in EVERY state, and the results would be much different than they are now.

I'm not sure the POTUS candidates would have to campaign in every state under a US popular voting system. Possibly just the purple states that are held by slim majorities?

A popular voting system may also encourage a higher voter turnout, as it's been reported that only 64% of Americans bothered to vote at the last election. And while I admit that there's a large number of "informal" votes cast in Aussie federal elections, we have a compulsory voter turnout of around 86% when it ultimately determines our PM.

Could, or should the US introduce compulsory voting? Should the obviously outmoded Electoral College system be done away with in order to produce a more representative (accurate) will of the population? And would a compulsory popular vote in 2020 tend to favour the Reps or the Dems?

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(The map is misleading in the sense that sparsely populated areas are shown no differently from densely populated areas. Manhattan has 1.6 million people but is only represented by the smallest dot on the map. Montana, on the other hand, has less than a million people but gets a huge chunk of the map—as big as Montana.)

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