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22-09-2014, 01:30 PM
RE: No wing: political equivalent to atheism?
(22-09-2014 01:15 PM)morondog Wrote:  ^^ This is what you get when you *do* bite, Zeke Wink Bunch of garbage. Hope you're happy Dodgy

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22-09-2014, 01:39 PM (This post was last modified: 22-09-2014 01:45 PM by cjlr.)
RE: No wing: political equivalent to atheism?
(22-09-2014 01:26 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  
(22-09-2014 01:08 PM)Luminon Wrote:  How do you know that? Who told that to you? An authority, I'd bet. Bible says you need Bible and government says you need government.
Only market says, if you don't need me, great, you'll save money, but in case you do, here's some supply and demand.

Of course we do, we were made to need government. We were given shitty parenting and bad education and half of our money is taken away. The moment government falls, we start fighting who gets to run another one. But things need not be that way, this is not human nature. We are in captivity, we have no idea how people really are, if they are parented without violence and philosophical.

I have seen a place with no government it is called camden, no mayor or anything. There are crimes every night, people struggle to get by, and many often pray or hope to fix the city. A government is needed to keep things under control more than anything. If you go some where without the government, you will find nothing but suffering. This does not mean one with a government will not suffer, but that a country needs a balanced one that can help.

Zeke: in case you've not bothered to review the thread - and oh, sweet noodly appendage would I not recommend it - you'll see by his answer that one of ol' Lumi's many, many problems is that he can't comprehend abstractions as abstractions, and instead reifies everything. It's everywhere in his language and in his laughably childish so-called "examples" and "analogies".

To wit: "government" does X. "Market" does Y. "Government" is A. "Market" is B.

NOPE. "Government" and "market" are catch-all terms for the sum total of human interaction in certain (partially and even substantially overlapping!) spheres (social versus economic decision making).

As would seem to be obvious to literally everyone besides ol' Lumi - a market with no rules is no market at all. Case in point, ol' Lumi's continued endorsement of Bitcoins, and the concomitant rampant fraud with no redress.

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22-09-2014, 01:57 PM
RE: No wing: political equivalent to atheism?
(22-09-2014 01:26 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  I have seen a place with no government it is called camden, no mayor or anything. There are crimes every night, people struggle to get by, and many often pray or hope to fix the city. A government is needed to keep things under control more than anything. If you go some where without the government, you will find nothing but suffering. This does not mean one with a government will not suffer, but that a country needs a balanced one that can help.
Were these people parented without violence and philosophically?
Yes, government certainly buys some time when situation is bad. But the worst places in the world have either the most strict government or a government that failed, because it was too violent and in debt. Not every nation in the world has the power to go into debt indefinitely, like USA has.
So it's really quality of people that decides what will people do. How are they treated as children will decide how the society will look. Government has no interest in educating children to be free, non-violent, philosophical people.
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22-09-2014, 02:05 PM
RE: No wing: political equivalent to atheism?
(21-09-2014 07:35 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Premiss 1: Child Abuse causes people to become criminals

Premiss 2: Luminon claims to have been abused

Conclusion: Luminon is a criminal.

Ah, but Rev, you're forgetting the obvious path to Right-Thinking Orthodoxy: regular ingestion of Great Prophet Molyneux (pbuh)'s very own *special sauce*. Sure to make a True Believing Apostle out of even the most hopeless sinner! Yes, sir, even you! The Prophet (pbuh) knows you're flawed, and He (pbuh) knows you were made broken, but if you invite him into your heart (and send big enough tithes!), His Power will help you overcome...


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22-09-2014, 02:08 PM
RE: No wing: political equivalent to atheism?
(22-09-2014 02:05 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(21-09-2014 07:35 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Premiss 1: Child Abuse causes people to become criminals

Premiss 2: Luminon claims to have been abused

Conclusion: Luminon is a criminal.

Ah, but Rev, you're forgetting the obvious path to Right-Thinking Orthodoxy: regular ingestion of Great Prophet Molyneux (pbuh)'s very own *special sauce*. Sure to make a True Believing Apostle out of even the most hopeless sinner! Yes, sir, even you! The Prophet (pbuh) knows you're flawed, and He (pbuh) knows you were made broken, but if you invite him into your heart (and send big enough tithes!), His Power will help you overcome...


Ol' Lumi is a black hole of self-oblivious narcissism.

Lumi makes his own sauce. So there's that.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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22-09-2014, 02:12 PM
RE: No wing: political equivalent to atheism?
(22-09-2014 02:08 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(22-09-2014 02:05 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Ah, but Rev, you're forgetting the obvious path to Right-Thinking Orthodoxy: regular ingestion of Great Prophet Molyneux (pbuh)'s very own *special sauce*. Sure to make a True Believing Apostle out of even the most hopeless sinner! Yes, sir, even you! The Prophet (pbuh) knows you're flawed, and He (pbuh) knows you were made broken, but if you invite him into your heart (and send big enough tithes!), His Power will help you overcome...


Ol' Lumi is a black hole of self-oblivious narcissism.

Lumi makes his own sauce. So there's that.

And yet somehow his spewing whole heaping buckets of it (aka: this thread) has yet to convince anybody else to embrace the, ah, doctrine contained therein.

Clearly ol' Lumi needs to up his missionary game.

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22-09-2014, 02:19 PM
RE: No wing: political equivalent to atheism?
(21-09-2014 07:33 PM)Luminon Wrote:  
(21-09-2014 05:58 PM)Chas Wrote:  Western-style democracies. You know, the ones with the highest standard of living, greatest happiness, and healthiest populations.
Forced redistribution of wealth? Disastrous government programs that increase whatever they are meant to decrease? Perpetually in war, including the war on drugs? Public sector ever getting bigger and deeper into debt? Bismarck-designed retirement system, which is basically a big Ponzi scheme?

Western-style democracies are monstrous patchwork of socialism powered by limited free market. At least pure socialism is so unproductive, that it can not start wars abroad, not on the other side of the globe, anyway.

Say what you will, but I'll take my chances with liberal democracy. I'd rather not end up having my head caved in by some rich asshole who sets his sights on domination.

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22-09-2014, 02:23 PM
RE: No wing: political equivalent to atheism?
(22-09-2014 02:12 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(22-09-2014 02:08 PM)morondog Wrote:  Lumi makes his own sauce. So there's that.

And yet somehow his spewing whole heaping buckets of it (aka: this thread) has yet to convince anybody else to embrace the, ah, doctrine contained therein.

Clearly ol' Lumi needs to up his missionary game.

It's the release of the spew that he's looking for, not converts. I mean, no one's trying for a kid when they're IRL jacking off either.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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22-09-2014, 02:37 PM
RE: No wing: political equivalent to atheism?
(22-09-2014 02:23 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(22-09-2014 02:12 PM)cjlr Wrote:  And yet somehow his spewing whole heaping buckets of it (aka: this thread) has yet to convince anybody else to embrace the, ah, doctrine contained therein.

Clearly ol' Lumi needs to up his missionary game.

It's the release of the spew that he's looking for, not converts. I mean, no one's trying for a kid when they're IRL jacking off either.

Oh, that's certainly more than apparent. It's just that it's in direct contradiction to his stated purpose.

Whatever gets him through the night...

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22-09-2014, 02:39 PM
RE: No wing: political equivalent to atheism?
(22-09-2014 02:19 PM)Res Publica Wrote:  Say what you will, but I'll take my chances with liberal democracy. I'd rather not end up having my head caved in by some rich asshole who sets his sights on domination.
I don't like the domination of rich assholes any more than you do. And that's exactly what I think politicians are.
http://time.com/373/congress-is-now-most...ires-club/
The moment you have government, rich assholes will flock there or will control it from shadows as cronies. It's not in my power to rid the world of rich assholes, but I can tell that not giving them power over the police and army is a good idea.

Rich assholes need to earn their right to exist by going after each other's neck and competing who gets to employ the limited workforce. They can not destroy competition on their own, they use national police and military for that (which is paid by taxpayers, not them). This is how they become government cronies and make crapitalism. Which is today's economy as we know it.

I heard this interesting political definition. Government is a machine that allows rich assholes to make losses public and profits private, which is synonymous with fascism. Communism is public loses, public profits too (if any). And then there's responsible freedom, with private gains and private loss and lots of charity so that losers don't make any trouble.
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