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06-09-2013, 03:04 PM
RE: Noah's Ark, again
What does the Bible say about this, and PleaseJesus, can you tell me more about these scholars?

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06-09-2013, 03:27 PM (This post was last modified: 07-09-2013 09:00 AM by Bucky Ball.)
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(06-09-2013 02:07 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  1) The topography in the pre-Noahic world was arguably far less striated. When water covered the tops of the mountains it wasn't that great a depth of water. 2) There was tremendous loss of life on land and sea alike--we see many species disappear in the Flood and immediate post-Flood world. There are great extinctions in the record, say scholars, just as they've certified explosions of new life in relatively shorter periods of time.

PS. You wrote there is tons of stuff about the absurdity of the ark, is there a thread somewhere here about the positives in the biblical ark record? The stability of the craft with those dimensions, etc? You know--a balanced view even if you find more details are con than pro.

And you know that how, exactly ? What years are you talking about ? Post a reference to an established Geological expert for that assertion.
I suspect you are making it up, and you CERTAINLY have NO expertise in the subject of Geology. Considering that Noah was a myth, it shreds your credibility to "0", (or -10), to posit such nonsense. Not one geologist on the planet would say that, (except the nut cases in the Creationist asylum).
There is not a shred of evidence for a world-wide flood. All floods have silt layers. There is no world-wide silt layer. All over the Earth, archaeological sites have excavated FAR below where they would find evidence for a world-wide flood, and there is none. The fact is, you Fundies NEED to have the myths in the Bible be literally true, or your universe falls on it's ass. You fall on your ass.
There are extinctions, and explosions. However genetics has proven THIS one did not happen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QJ7yZ9L1po
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIlWKp44T50

You're full of shit, Pleasy, and everyone here knows it. You live in a totally made up fantasy world. Noahic world indeed. What actual intelligent adult would talk about a "Noahic world" in 2013 ? What sort of delusional, unbelievable moronic crap is that ? What other drivel does the person pushing that garbage also push ?

Jebus is Lard.

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06-09-2013, 04:02 PM
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It's wonderful how some people desperately cling to the most absurd myths just to validate their beliefs. Proving the flood is a hopeless endeavour. It's not as simple as showing that a big boat could float. You'd have to disprove the science of geology, archaeology, atomic theory, and biology (and others), since the myth conflicts with every one of those in fundamental ways.

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06-09-2013, 05:03 PM
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Is there any kind of metaphor we can draw from the story of Noah

This is the story of a man doing whatever he is told to do, no matter how impossible the task may be.
He has got to be the greatest magician on earth, because magic is the only way any of this happens.
Apparently he is also ok with the fact that rest of the people on earth will be killed.
Does he ever plead for the lives of his fellow man ? Nope don't think so.
He just accepts it all without question.

This is the christian narrative. Do as you are told and never question.

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06-09-2013, 06:36 PM (This post was last modified: 06-09-2013 06:57 PM by Reltzik.)
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(06-09-2013 04:02 PM)Elesjei Wrote:  It's wonderful how some people desperately cling to the most absurd myths just to validate their beliefs. Proving the flood is a hopeless endeavour. It's not as simple as showing that a big boat could float. You'd have to disprove the science of geology, archaeology, atomic theory, and biology (and others), since the myth conflicts with every one of those in fundamental ways.

... genetics... chemistry... atmospheric science... logistics... sanitation... pathology... anthropology... botany... fluid dynamics... husbandry... zoology... botany... meteorology... etymology... okay, how 'bout I stick to etymology.

.... how many different species of termite were on the wooden ark? They'd have all had been egg-laying queens capable of producing their own colonies over the course of months, right? Add to that over a thousand species of carpenter ants, wood beetles, all the species of rodent that will compulsively gnaw on surroundings to keep their teeth under control...

How about gall wasps? There's over 800 different species of them, all of which would have been on the ark. Let's look at the oak apple gall wasp in particular. They have staggered generations, with alternating generations reproducing in different ways, with a cycle of a year. Adults lay their eggs around an oak's roots in the autumn, then die off. A different type of female (only female) wasp hatches from the roots in the spring, climb up to budding leaves, lay their eggs in them, and die. These eggs produce galls commonly known as oak apples, which contain a different type of pupae that hatches into male and female wasps that we began the cycle with. As the wasps would die off before Noah debarked the ark (a year after the rains started), they would have had to have gone through this cycle at least once. Which means that the ark would have had to have a LIVING OAK TREE ON IT. For extra fun, while most species of gall wasp depend on oak trees for reproduction, there are varieties that require maple trees, and others eucalyptus trees, and others rose bushes... the list goes on and on... all of which would presumably have to have been along for the trip.

But on the other hand, if archeologists FINDING the remains of the ark would make you believe just a little bit... say, 5%... and they found the ark 20 different times... that should get you to 100%, right? Hobo
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06-09-2013, 08:14 PM
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06-09-2013, 09:00 PM (This post was last modified: 06-09-2013 09:19 PM by Bucky Ball.)
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(06-09-2013 02:07 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  1) The topography in the pre-Noahic world was arguably far less striated. When water covered the tops of the mountains it wasn't that great a depth of water. 2) There was tremendous loss of life on land and sea alike--we see many species disappear in the Flood and immediate post-Flood world. There are great extinctions in the record, say scholars, just as they've certified explosions of new life in relatively shorter periods of time.

PS. You wrote there is tons of stuff about the absurdity of the ark, is there a thread somewhere here about the positives in the biblical ark record? The stability of the craft with those dimensions, etc? You know--a balanced view even if you find more details are con than pro.

Come to think of it, Pleasy ... why don't you start a thread about the "pre-Noahic" world, (whatever that was ... I tried to look it up in my Geology text, and I couldn't FIND that age mentioned ... I'm sure that was just a editorial oversight, right). You can tel us all about what it was like there, and how EXACTLY you know what you think you know about it, and who all the hoards of scholars are that know all about this (hitherto unknown) geologic age. It should be a fascinating thread.
In fact, I can even start it for you if you like.

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07-09-2013, 12:17 AM
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Two words: BAD DUCKS.




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07-09-2013, 12:57 AM
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I've herd that argument several times before.

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07-09-2013, 03:35 AM
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(06-09-2013 02:07 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  1) The topography in the pre-Noahic world was arguably far less striated. When water covered the tops of the mountains it wasn't that great a depth of water. 2) There was tremendous loss of life on land and sea alike--we see many species disappear in the Flood and immediate post-Flood world. There are great extinctions in the record, say scholars, just as they've certified explosions of new life in relatively shorter periods of time.

PS. You wrote there is tons of stuff about the absurdity of the ark, is there a thread somewhere here about the positives in the biblical ark record? The stability of the craft with those dimensions, etc? You know--a balanced view even if you find more details are con than pro.




I'm surprised that you are putting limits on your god PJ! Surely, if your god is the all powerful creator of the universe, then he could have created out of nothing the 4.5 BILLION cubic kilometers of water required to cover the entire world in water up to the peak of the highest mountain, as actually described in the Bible (for reference, there is only about 1.3 billion cubic kilometers of water on the entire planet). Not only that, but surely he could have also erased all evidence of it's happening, AND fabricate all of the evidence to make it LOOK like it could never have possible happened. Your god could surely have made all the rocks appear stratified and he could have faked the apparent radioactive decay rates and hidden all of the dinosaur bones to fool us into thinking the world (and indeed the universe) is orders of magnitude older than they really are. Surely the most all powerful creator of the universe would be able to do such a thing, couldn't he? I seriously hope your not trying to place limits on your limitless god to make his miracles seem less... miraculous?









As far as I can see it, there is no naturalistic explanation to explain the supposed Great Flood; and once you start accepting magical answers, then the sky is the limit. How funny that you go for essentially 'limited magic' answers PJ. Maybe because you haven't read your Bible as well as you should have? Oh silly me, we already how little you understand your own Bible! Something else then perhaps? Consider

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Also, you do not have to be an aeronautical engineer to see that the 'stability' of a giant square box in a flood would be shit.

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