Non-Existence Of God Is Pretentious?
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09-12-2013, 04:32 PM
RE: Non-Existence Of God Is Pretentious?
(09-12-2013 04:05 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(09-12-2013 03:42 PM)WindyCityJazz Wrote:  You misunderstand me. I did not say that we can't change things on Earth. What I said was that we cannot change how the universe works, as in stars exploding, black holes and their effects, etc. One day the sun will die out and there is absolutely nothing we can do about that. If a black hole came by and sucked in our planet there would, once again, be absolutely nothing that we could do about it. Look past our tiny, insignificant planet and think about the rest of the universe and how it operates.
And what I was trying to say that we can do/change something on this Earth.
Nature has plenty of materials that can be used by intelligent beings to make something better or good enough for living.
It is not unreasonable to assume that intelligent Being- biblical God was taking materials that were found in the nature and used them to make something good for living of humans who were created in His likeness and image.

Intelligent beings - meaning us humans - right?

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09-12-2013, 04:43 PM
RE: Non-Existence Of God Is Pretentious?
(09-12-2013 03:56 PM)Alla Wrote:  .

I like these posts of Alla's the best of all. Evil_monster

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09-12-2013, 05:17 PM
RE: Non-Existence Of God Is Pretentious?
(09-12-2013 04:05 PM)Alla Wrote:  And what I was trying to say that we can do/change something on this Earth.
Nature has plenty of materials that can be used by intelligent beings to make something better or good enough for living.
It is not unreasonable to assume that intelligent Being- biblical God was taking materials that were found in the nature and used them to make something good for living of humans who were created in His likeness and image.

Again, you keep coming up with retorts about what we do on Earth, and I'm not talking about what we do here on Earth. This is the problem that I've been talking about. We live in a universe that is bigger than anyone's mind can comprehend, and yet creationists act as though the entire universe was created just for us on this little, insignificant planet. Stop thinking about Earth and start thinking about the rest of the universe. Our planet is extremely insignificant in the scheme of the universe. If the sun exploded tomorrow and blew our planet to bits, it would make absolutely no difference in the scheme of the universe. The rest of the universe would continue to go on. Other planets would still revolve around their orbits, black holes would continue to roam the galaxy sucking up everything they come across, stars will continue to burn and give off heat. Our existence in this doesn't mean anything at all. The universe will not come to a grinding halt just because our planet ceased to exist. It will continue to go on as it does now.

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09-12-2013, 05:29 PM
RE: Non-Existence Of God Is Pretentious?
(09-12-2013 05:17 PM)WindyCityJazz Wrote:  Stop thinking about Earth and start thinking about the rest of the universe. Our planet is extremely insignificant in the scheme of the universe. If the sun exploded tomorrow and blew our planet to bits, it would make absolutely no difference in the scheme of the universe. The rest of the universe would continue to go on. Other planets would still revolve around their orbits, black holes would continue to roam the galaxy sucking up everything they come across, stars will continue to burn and give off heat. Our existence in this doesn't mean anything at all. The universe will not come to a grinding halt just because our planet ceased to exist. It will continue to go on as it does now.

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Maybe Alla doesn't realize that in about 3 billion years, our Sun will puff up and swallow our planet and humanity will cease to exist... as will anyone who believes there is a god.

Maybe Alla doesn't get the immenseness that is beyond him.

Maybe this will help. Shy

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09-12-2013, 05:33 PM
RE: Non-Existence Of God Is Pretentious?
You could argue that the validity of one of the major religions would be more pretentious. Really, with the size of the universe and the billions of things in it, we're the ones that it was all made for? We're the center of the whole damn universe?

A little too much self-importance was posed there.
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09-12-2013, 05:51 PM
RE: Non-Existence Of God Is Pretentious?
(09-12-2013 02:20 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  It's not a matter of pretentiousness IMO. It's a matter of there is no other item for which non-existence is claimed that has thousands and thousands of web pages and forum postings. If god doesn't exist, spend less time attempting to prove He doesn't.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=alien+abduction
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=homeopathy
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=chiropractic
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Well... the list goes on.

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09-12-2013, 06:00 PM
RE: Non-Existence Of God Is Pretentious?
(09-12-2013 03:32 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(09-12-2013 03:26 PM)WitchSabrina Wrote:  This is the second time in the past couple of days someone has mentioned that I am God. I'm just not sure I know what to do with this news (?)
do nothing because you are not God. I never said that you are God. Never.
"god" is not equal "God"

Well that is a bold-faced lie now isn't it?

(09-12-2013 03:13 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(09-12-2013 01:02 PM)WindyCityJazz Wrote:  Our existence changes nothing."
it is not true. Our existence can change some things.
I can take materials(like God did) and change desert that is not good enough for my living by turning it to oasis(good enough for my living). Without me desert would never became oasis.
That is what gods do: they take what nature gives them and they make it better.
You are god. You exist.

You do understand that capitalisation of god's G doesn't actually change the word, right? Either way it is describing a deity.

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09-12-2013, 06:25 PM (This post was last modified: 10-12-2013 08:13 AM by anonymous66.)
RE: Non-Existence Of God Is Pretentious?
(09-12-2013 01:02 PM)WindyCityJazz Wrote:  This is one of the most common accusations that I hear from religious people: "Do you really think that you're so big that nothing bigger than you exists? That's pretty pretentious to think you're so significant!"

So I always respond: "Actually, I feel that I'm quite small in the scheme of the universe. Do you realize that if you were to gather every grain of sand on Earth that our planet would not even represent a single grain of sand in the universe?" That is how UN-important we are. Do you really think that an almighty creator made this entire universe and that our planet is incredibly special in the scheme of the universe? If that is how you feel, then I'd say that YOU are the one that is being pretentious. Like it or not, the universe goes on with or without us. Our existence changes nothing."

Been there. It's obvious they are suggesting that it is arrogant to reject the claim of God. And it is presupposing that those who do reject God are so arrogant that they believe there is nothing greater than themselves.

They are 2 ridiculous notion.
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09-12-2013, 06:34 PM
RE: Non-Existence Of God Is Pretentious?
(09-12-2013 05:17 PM)WindyCityJazz Wrote:  Again, you keep coming up with retorts about what we do on Earth, and I'm not talking about what we do here on Earth. This is the problem that I've been talking about. We live in a universe that is bigger than anyone's mind can comprehend, and yet creationists act as though the entire universe was created just for us on this little, insignificant planet. Stop thinking about Earth and start thinking about the rest of the universe. Our planet is extremely insignificant in the scheme of the universe. If the sun exploded tomorrow and blew our planet to bits, it would make absolutely no difference in the scheme of the universe. The rest of the universe would continue to go on. Other planets would still revolve around their orbits, black holes would continue to roam the galaxy sucking up everything they come across, stars will continue to burn and give off heat. Our existence in this doesn't mean anything at all. The universe will not come to a grinding halt just because our planet ceased to exist. It will continue to go on as it does now.
I understand what you say.
But this is my point:
If there are intelligent beings on this Earth who can interact with nature and improve desert by turning it to oasis it is reasonable to believe/assume that there are intelligent beings who can interact with nature on different level: take a planet(big rock) that has no life and improve it. Make it possible that intelligent beings can live on it.

English is not my native language.
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09-12-2013, 06:37 PM
RE: Non-Existence Of God Is Pretentious?
(09-12-2013 05:29 PM)kim Wrote:  Maybe Alla doesn't realize that in about 3 billion years, our Sun will puff up and swallow our planet and humanity will cease to exist... as will anyone who believes there is a god.

Maybe Alla doesn't get the immenseness that is beyond him.
I realize this. But it doesn't mean that intelligent beings(gods) can not get involve and interact with nature and for example turn planet that is not good for life of intelligent beings into planet that is good for life of intelligent beings.

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