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03-06-2015, 07:53 PM
Non-believing Christians???
I think, as atheists, we need to acknowledge the existence of those (I think a majority) who profess to believe in the fall and redemption story, not because they genuinely believe it, but because they see some extraneous benefit (real or imagined) to claiming to be a believer, such as politicians seeking votes, those who realize economic or social benefits from claiming to believe, those who fear to proclaim their unbelief because of social or familial pressures, etc.

it is not pleasant to accuse someone of lying or being a fake, but I think we need to begin questioning those who claim to believe. This false belief should be referred to as Christianism rather than Christianity.

Thoughts?

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03-06-2015, 08:03 PM
RE: Non-believing Christians???
If you are talking about the thousands of closeted non-believers - my guess is that there are many, many of them. They stand to lose jobs or families if they come out...

And then there are those who go through the motions for cultural reasons, don't actually believe in any of it, but never think about it either. They just go with the flow and don't much care. The path of least resistance.

Me thinks that the recent poll about the "nones" is going to cause more and more of the closeted people to gradually come out....that's what happened in the 70s with gays exactly the same way.

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03-06-2015, 10:23 PM
RE: Non-believing Christians???
Well I was one of them for a long time until I decided to be honest with myself. I think there is a high percentage that don't really buy it. I often think that the ones who profess the loudest are the ones who don't really believe.

I think the preachers know it too and that's why they want you there each and every week, for reinforcement of the delusion.

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04-06-2015, 02:55 AM
RE: Non-believing Christians???
Any comment KC?
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04-06-2015, 03:09 AM (This post was last modified: 04-06-2015 08:57 AM by Szuchow.)
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Why atheists should acknowledge it? Sincerity of belief matters not when one try to force religious taboo onto others and this is how thing look like in my country. For me distinction would be between those who keep their beliefs to themselves and those who try to force other to live in accordance with their superstitions.

As long as someone does not push his beliefs onto me I could not care less if he really believe or simply goes through the motions.

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04-06-2015, 03:48 AM
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These people owe me nothing and I wont make demands of them. Let them do as they will.

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04-06-2015, 05:29 AM
RE: Non-believing Christians???
I'm starting to think there's no such thing as faith. The things you mention would be enough to damage and taint faith, would an omniscient, angry, judgmental god respect this type of belief?

The fact that hell is a thing for most believers means that there's an inherent fear wrapped up in their beliefs. How much fear can you have until it stops being faith?

How much fear is tolerable until it's tainted enough for Yhwh to get angry and send you to hell?

How would you ever know if you have enough faith? Or if it hasn't been contaminated with fear, so the faith you do have is no longer useful?

If you consider Yhwh to be "perfect", then why would Yhwh be satisfied with an imperfect faith contaminated by fear?

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04-06-2015, 06:19 AM
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(03-06-2015 07:53 PM)666wannabe Wrote:  I think, as atheists, we need to acknowledge the existence of those (I think a majority) who profess to believe in the fall and redemption story, not because they genuinely believe it, but because they see some extraneous benefit (real or imagined) to claiming to be a believer, such as politicians seeking votes, those who realize economic or social benefits from claiming to believe, those who fear to proclaim their unbelief because of social or familial pressures, etc.

it is not pleasant to accuse someone of lying or being a fake, but I think we need to begin questioning those who claim to believe. This false belief should be referred to as Christianism rather than Christianity.

Thoughts?

What's the criteria for a non-believing Christian? That they don't actually believe there is a God? Or merely that they don't truly subscribe to certain orthodox beliefs? Are liberal christians your idea of non-believing Christians?

I also have a term I often throw around for certain atheists, "closeted believers", typically the sort that hold to humanistic moral sentiments, believe in good, and bad, and shit like that. They are folks for whom the long shadow of religion still hangs over them. Those prone to express moral outrage, and stuff, and over value love, kindness, unselfishness, etc...
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04-06-2015, 06:48 AM
RE: Non-believing Christians???
(04-06-2015 02:55 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  Any comment KC?

I... agree?

I mean, yeah. There are those types out there. Why do I need to comment?

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04-06-2015, 07:14 AM
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(04-06-2015 03:48 AM)Banjo Wrote:  These people owe me nothing and I wont make demands of them. Let them do as they will.

As I've said before, "If religion were just a harmless eccentricity, it would not be a problem." People have a right to believe what they believe, but when they try to push their beliefs onto others and try to force others onto others, it is not just a harmless eccentricity.

If we believe absurdities, we shall commit atrocities.--Voltaire.

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