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25-08-2012, 05:14 AM
North Korea / Communism - my thoughts
I wasn't sure where to put this thread, politcs or World News... I hope it's fine here.

So a week ago or so I stumbled across a documentary about North Korea.
I have to mention that up to that point I only knew that people there are poor and that they have communism.
I knew things about communism from my hubby who grew up in it until he was 10 or so and from history lessons about Germany before the wall fell.
So it was only things I read and heard from people, I figured that communism as an idea is not bad but that it fails in reality. I figured that living in it must be very stressful as you can't ever say what's on your mind, and so on.

So this first documentary last week showed something I haven't really seen like that before. It showed me a dirt poor country, it went into history of North Korea a bit, it showed starving people who would eat grass and clay because there was nothing else, it showed orphans begging and being shooed away, it showed power shortages, no traffic, pressure. It showed people and their stories, and how they fled, it talked about the great enemy, the US, it talked about work camps, murder, and such things.
I was very shocked about this. So not believing what I had just seen and heard for about 40 minutes on that video, I clicked on the next video, and I did this for about a week now.
I am not sure what to think about North Korea's current population, politics, treatment of foreigners/tourists/reporters, etc.

There was this reportet who actually was invited and got a huge tour. Everything looked a tad too clean. It was exactly as my hubby told me. They keep a nice clean fassade for visitors, freshly painted houses and clean roads, noone on the road who loos bad, no other cars at all, visiting an "average" home, where they put all kinds of food and fruit and deco on a prepared table. Showing schools in the capital, and museums, the DMZ. But the reporter said that in hotels they would be the only people staying there, that electicity went down all the time, that they told her to turn off the camara at certain places that normally should not be forbidden... at least around here. Like here (right now Ireland) you just walk around with your camcorder and basically noone gives a shit but there it was different.
This also matches the video of someone who did one of these tours they do there. They told people to not film things outside the city, but he secretly did anyway. He explained a few things he knew and a few things he heard from the tour guide etc.

I am not sure how it is by now.
I know that since they allow more toursist in the country on these guided tours, they have moved the work prison camps further inside the country. I am not sure how bad it is with food shortage right now there, I only saw those horrible pictures of the great famine in the 1990's.
But figuring that their economy is broken, cars generally forbidden, and them using ox and carriage again by now, no electricity, I am positive that the food situation hasn't improved much either.

In one of the documentaries/reports there was this guy who constantly went in and out of North Korea using a small river at the border and paying the border guards with cigarettes and such things to make it alive. He took video footage in North Korea and would make that public in China (where he was hiding at the time). He wasn't on camera himself even once because at that point he was constantly on the move to not be found, brought back, and killed. He actually had footage of public executions, people being thrown out of trains, and other things. I am just not sure when this footage has been shot. I guess it was during the great famine, but I can't know because I did not see videos before 2010. Some say that "this has been shot in 2005" and this is as far back as I found things date, at least on video material that has been made public.

The tours that some tourists took there where more recent but they all have some stuff in comon:
Empty hotels
speeding between town
being forbidden to film between town
Creepy feeling of having a theater that is being played for the tourist


What are your thoughts about North Korea and/or communism in general?
Any of you ever lived in communism and can give an insight now?
My hubby gives really good explanations about things I don't understand, I just would like to hear more opinions Smile

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25-08-2012, 05:32 AM
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It's instructive to compare North Korea with South Korea



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25-08-2012, 05:48 AM
RE: North Korea / Communism - my thoughts
Wow this is an interesting video. But I am afraid that this might not be possible in North Korea... dunno

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25-08-2012, 05:50 AM
RE: North Korea / Communism - my thoughts
The motive behind communism was good enough, and the idea worked in theory. Communism, and the majority of socialist systems are not practical, but the same could be said about capitalism. No form of government or economic policy is perfect and I believe that it is in our best interest to attempt to combine the best aspects of each system as best we can.

As for North Korea, it is quite sad. Like the other communist countries, they've turned their form of government into a religion. Their state is their god, its enemies are the devil.

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25-08-2012, 05:58 AM
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North Korea is the last thing we need to worry about... sure they fire off a rocket now and then to get some attention.. but really... nothing to see here folks.. just move on.. they fucking themselves over 100' times so that they have no chance at all in any future.. of anything...

seriously .. the only reason N.Korea gets attention is because they wave their arms.. fire a firecracker off.. and scream.. "look at me!! look at me!!" and we look... and we see nothing but sadness....

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25-08-2012, 06:49 AM
RE: North Korea / Communism - my thoughts
Leela, I think your husband's just not being sympathetic to the plight of N. Korea's great leader. Make him watch this video



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25-08-2012, 07:05 AM
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25-08-2012, 10:46 AM
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President Obama, upon visiting the demilitarized zone this year commented:

Quote:“If a country can’t feed its people effectively, if it can’t make anything of any use to anybody, if it has no exports other than weapons and even those aren’t ones that in any way would be considered state of the art.

“If it can’t deliver on any indicators of well-being… for its people… then you’d think you’d want to try something different,” Obama said in a highly undiplomatic and unusually frank public appearance.

“There are certain things that just don’t work and what they are doing doesn’t work.”
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/25/ob...rth-korea/


I often disagree with the politics of Obama, but he's spot on here. The comments were harsh, however they were stated not in malice, but rather shocked sadness.
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25-08-2012, 01:12 PM
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North Korea's current status troubles me for many reasons. For one, I cannot believe that it is illegal to be religious, but yet many people are depicted as "worshiping" their leader.

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25-08-2012, 01:32 PM
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(25-08-2012 06:49 AM)Jeff Wrote:  Leela, I think your husband's just not being sympathetic to the plight of N. Korea's great leader. Make him watch this video




Didn't he die? Or does this stand for the son, too?
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