North Korea fires intermediate range ballistic missile
Post Reply
 
Thread Rating:
  • 0 Votes - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
12-02-2017, 06:44 AM
RE: North Korea fires intermediate range ballistic missile
(12-02-2017 06:31 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Probably not. Building a missile defense system strikes me as far too passive for his tastes. More likely we'll see him authorize some stupid direct action that escalates the situation, like he just did in Yemen. But hey, I'm pretty sure Kim Jong Un doesn't have a Twitter account, so there is that.

I guess the danger is bigger with the Philippines when their president decides on calling yet another US president son of a bitch. I'm not sure Dump would take that as calmly as Obama.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes abaris's post
12-02-2017, 11:04 PM
RE: North Korea fires intermediate range ballistic missile
(12-02-2017 05:38 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(12-02-2017 05:08 AM)abaris Wrote:  That's why it's wrong and misleading to look at it as a communist regime. If anything it can be compared to one of the feudalistic systems of old. Complete with divine king. Apart from every Kim having been superman in everything they picked up, they're also tied to Korean mythology.

Indeed. It's actually hold over of Japanese imperial fascism and the reverence of their literally divine Emperor, far more so than with the surface trappings of Chinese communism.




Excellent points. But it's still CALLED communism. This would be an interesting retort to the next fundy who comes in here to tell us that atheism = communism = atheism.

"Theology made no provision for evolution. The biblical authors had missed the most important revelation of all! Could it be that they were not really privy to the thoughts of God?" - E. O. Wilson
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 2 users Like RocketSurgeon76's post
12-02-2017, 11:21 PM (This post was last modified: 12-02-2017 11:24 PM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: North Korea fires intermediate range ballistic missile
(12-02-2017 11:04 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  
(12-02-2017 05:38 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Indeed. It's actually hold over of Japanese imperial fascism and the reverence of their literally divine Emperor, far more so than with the surface trappings of Chinese communism.




Excellent points. But it's still CALLED communism. This would be an interesting retort to the next fundy who comes in here to tell us that atheism = communism = atheism.

But what is a name? How many dictatorships or terrorist guerrilla groups call themselves 'democratic', 'freedom', or 'republic' something or other? How many dictatorships were propped up by the US both during and after the Cold War? Both 'democratic' and 'communist' labels weren't so much ideologies as they were jersey colors. North Korea is communist because they sided with the other team.

[Image: lord-of-war-4.jpg]

[Image: E3WvRwZ.gif]
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 2 users Like EvolutionKills's post
12-02-2017, 11:45 PM
RE: North Korea fires intermediate range ballistic missile
(12-02-2017 06:21 AM)Dom Wrote:  And plays right into Trump's goal of pouring tons of money in the military - apparently our missile defense system is out dated. Trump must build up the military for exactly the same reasons.

The Chinese and North and south Koreans know the work, The art of war. Trump can be pushed into bankrupting the country.

There are other ways of winning than on the battlefield. This is why the Chinese won the Cold war. China's "enemy", owes them 163 trillion dollars.

I highly recommend that book. I must have read it 20 times.

NOTE: Member, Tomasia uses this site to slander other individuals. He then later proclaims it a joke, but not in public.
I will call him a liar and a dog here and now.
Banjo.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
13-02-2017, 12:15 AM
RE: North Korea fires intermediate range ballistic missile
(12-02-2017 11:21 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(12-02-2017 11:04 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Excellent points. But it's still CALLED communism. This would be an interesting retort to the next fundy who comes in here to tell us that atheism = communism = atheism.

But what is a name?

You forget your target audience for this argument.

These are the people who try, with a straight face, to argue that the Republican Party today is the same as Lincoln's Republican Party.

If they want to try to tag atheism with communism because some of them tried to promote atheism, it's apropos to point out that other versions of communism have "living god" beliefs, as well.

"Theology made no provision for evolution. The biblical authors had missed the most important revelation of all! Could it be that they were not really privy to the thoughts of God?" - E. O. Wilson
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 2 users Like RocketSurgeon76's post
13-02-2017, 12:23 AM (This post was last modified: 13-02-2017 01:03 AM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: North Korea fires intermediate range ballistic missile
(13-02-2017 12:15 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  
(12-02-2017 11:21 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  But what is a name?

You forget your target audience for this argument.

These are the people who try, with a straight face, to argue that the Republican Party today is the same as Lincoln's Republican Party.

If they want to try to tag atheism with communism because some of them tried to promote atheism, it's apropos to point out that other versions of communism have "living god" beliefs, as well.


Thank you for the clarification, I didn't quite get it the first time. Cool

[Image: E3WvRwZ.gif]
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
13-02-2017, 01:10 AM
RE: North Korea fires intermediate range ballistic missile
(12-02-2017 11:04 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  
(12-02-2017 05:38 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Indeed. It's actually hold over of Japanese imperial fascism and the reverence of their literally divine Emperor, far more so than with the surface trappings of Chinese communism.




Excellent points. But it's still CALLED communism. This would be an interesting retort to the next fundy who comes in here to tell us that atheism = communism = atheism.

Isn't it being called communist by these outside of it?

North Korea describe itself as self-reliant socialist state, with Juche (often translating as self reliance) as national ideology.

Also I doubt that fundie will care, as he already has his truth or even Truth.

The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth.

Mikhail Bakunin.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
13-02-2017, 01:15 AM
RE: North Korea fires intermediate range ballistic missile
(13-02-2017 01:10 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  
(12-02-2017 11:04 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Excellent points. But it's still CALLED communism. This would be an interesting retort to the next fundy who comes in here to tell us that atheism = communism = atheism.

Isn't it being called communist by these outside of it?

North Korea describe itself as self-reliant socialist state, with Juche (often translating as self reliance) as national ideology.

Also I doubt that fundie will care, as he already has his truth or even Truth.


Self-reliant? I wonder how they square that with their famines and the foreign aid clearly labeled as 'Product of the USA'? I mean, I've heard that they pass it off as being tribute to their glorious leader, as opposed to the fact that it's effectively pity provisions for the citizens being held captive by their own bureaucracy. But when the tribute is necessary to prevent starvation, how is that self-reliant? I imagine they have some Orwellian levels of double-speak going on over there.

[Image: E3WvRwZ.gif]
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
13-02-2017, 01:18 AM
RE: North Korea fires intermediate range ballistic missile
(13-02-2017 01:15 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(13-02-2017 01:10 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  Isn't it being called communist by these outside of it?

North Korea describe itself as self-reliant socialist state, with Juche (often translating as self reliance) as national ideology.

Also I doubt that fundie will care, as he already has his truth or even Truth.


Self reliant? I wonder how they square that with their famines and the foreign aid clearly labeled as 'Product of the USA'? I mean, I've heard that they pass it off as being tribute to their glorious leader, as opposed to the fact that it's effectively pity provisions for the citizens being held captive by their own bureaucracy. But when the tribute is necessary to prevent starvation, how is that self-reliant? I imagine they have some Orwellian levels of double-speak going on over there.

Describing as and being it are different things but you covered it in your post. My point was they aren't calling themselves communist - at least it seems so from quick search I made.

The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth.

Mikhail Bakunin.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
13-02-2017, 04:27 AM
RE: North Korea fires intermediate range ballistic missile
I don't know (or for the purposes of this conversation, care) what they call themselves.

All I pointed out was that the people with whom we're having these infamous "atheism = communism = atheism" arguments are the type of people who are very hung up on labels, and THEY label North Korea a communist state.

If they were capable of handling deeper levels of understanding than the surface label, we wouldn't have to worry about trying to explain to them that being an atheist doesn't make me Mao or Lenin any more than being a theist makes them Torquemada or Hitler.

"Theology made no provision for evolution. The biblical authors had missed the most important revelation of all! Could it be that they were not really privy to the thoughts of God?" - E. O. Wilson
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 2 users Like RocketSurgeon76's post
Post Reply
Forum Jump: