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08-10-2012, 03:15 AM
Not bitter
I am not bitter about my ex-faith. I didn't lose it because of a trauma or because someone wasn't nice to me. I didn't leave it in anger or due to a fight.
I said, previously, that I took a lot from it that I can still use to this day, and I learnt a lot of valuable things.

1.
I learnt about the use and dangers of different herbs and roots for teas and about plants in general. And I am truly sorry for those people who do not know about these herbs because they are easier on you, and they are not made in a laboratory. And the herbs are not that expensive if you actually think about it, they are cheaper but work just as well. Not saying I can heal cancer or HIV with it them, but for common things they are great, Bronchities, pneumonia, sours, fever, problems urinating, a cold, smaller infections, and many more.
When I lived in a shared place, my roommate and I both got Pneumonia at the same time (from a visitor). We both have Asthma so naturally it was really bad, we both had to stay in bed. I made myself a tea out of herbs and offered it to her as well. She drank one sip and told me that it tastes horrible, never touched it again. I had 5 cups a day and 3 days later I was well enough to work again (no running around or exhausting of course) while she was still in bed for 5 more days. These teas do not have to taste well, I told her that, they are medicine.
I used to have a doctor with exactly my approach, and it was a really good doctor. He told me a specific tea and 4 days later I was well. Sure, not for the really bad things, but just making a point here. It is not like this stuff is not serious. I had various doctors telling me to drink specific teas for specific things and it has always worked. Medicine does not have to be in form of a pill or drops.

2. I learnt about true respect. I have not met even one person in these circles that was not respectful. I am talking respect on all levels. Respect towards nature, respect towards all living creatures, respect towards other people's believes. Never has anyone been discrimnated or hated for their believes. I myself was pretty out of the line, not believing in the Gods, and it was respected. I rarely saw people fighting about their religious views, because normally everyone knew that witchcraft has too many branches to fight about it. Live and let live was basically a motto in the community and I loved it. When I left, I realized that not everyone is that way and it was like being punched in the face. All the ignorance and egoism out there, that I hated and had locked out of my religious bubble for a long time. Inside the community you get help, you always have someone to talk. A lot went online but most of the time you would actually exchange phone numbers, visit each other, help out with things. I remember once, I was in a chat room where I used to hang out, just mentioning that I had not money to get a new Asthma-Spray. So another witch, who knew me only from the chat, offered to send me some cash for it in an envelope and her bankdetails for me to transfer it back when I have money again. And we did that. That was trust and friendship that I have not found a lot on this planet.

3. Talking about respect. It was, as mentioned, also respect towards nature and every living thing. Every living thing includes plants, just saying. So yeah, you would use things that you need, but you would be thankful for it, and you would not slaughter an animal inhumanely. I personally paid attention where the meat I am eating is coming from because I did not want to help the companies that don't care about the animals they breed for food. I chose those I knew would kill the animal fast, not stress them more than nessasary, those who had the animals on floor, and not in wired boxes. Yes, it is a bit more expensive but it is humane and should receive the money so it can become a common practice and cheaper with time. Also for plants, to not just rip them out when I please, let the flowers in the garden, let the leaves on the trees. Not to litter. To keep you trash when you are hiking and find a bin or bring it home and throw it then. it seems so rational but so many people litter. From throwing the cigarette stump on the ground outside, to throwing you empty bottle on the ground in a forest. These things still bother me so much and make me so angry (mentioned that here). Respecting every living thing will for sure be a value that I will teach my kids as well. It is so important nowadays.

So no, I am not bitter. I left because logic took over. I started questioning why and how things are supposed to work. And the more I looked and searched, the more I found out that most stuff is only psychological, not supernatural. Most things, all the rituals, the candle lighting, the incense, the mindstuff, was and still is pure psychologic. It all gives you this sense of security and being special and having a gift that you mastered, when for real you just learnt something by heart and apply some riddiculus rules that make no sense whatsoever.
You got explanations for everything but nothing had a real foundation, no proof. Like how would you move something just by thinking at it > your thoughts are energy, if you bundle it and direct it you can move things because everything between you and the object is energy as well. It makes not fucking sense but it sounds so scientific that you just believe it until you research it.
Many things like that led me to dropping the believe piece by piece, but I have not been bitter, angry. I just felt weird and insecure, I was already depressed at that time, and this didn't help at all. BUT I got over it, and still no sign of anger or bitterness from my side. Not saying it was all flowers and butterflies and sunshine. Just like in every other religion there was a big fear factor and the knowledge that something will come after your death (here reincarnation) and even reincarnation had a fear factor to it just like hell in christianity.
But I was not unhappy in my faith (just like that new JW guy). I was very happy with it, and the more I learnt about it, the happier I felt, for connecting all my puzzle pieces. I even started a business, a small shop with hand made articles for witchcraft and such things.
Just that logic came in the way... I don't think I am still really mourning. I just see how many people report about them leaving faith, and how bitter they often are, how angry at the religion itself.

By now I am pretty anti religion, but not out of anger or frustration. I just think the world would be better off without it alltogether, because it causes too much trouble, too much fight and war and greed. This planet would be a lot more pieceful if religion would vanish > not be banned. Banning it makes no sense, because then it becomes an underground movement, and that can be very dangerous. But I hope that the human race will grow out of it at some point. I won't live anymore and it may take 1000 years but they might, and that will be great!

I try to have a positive attitute, you see. Towards my ex-faith as well as towards everything else. No bitterness, I am trying Smile

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08-10-2012, 09:16 AM
RE: Not bitter
Me too...I'm trying. Thumbsup

I even think some days I'm better at it than others. Yes

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12-10-2012, 12:07 AM
RE: Not bitter
My only regret regarding religion is that I was so irrational as to believe it.

But when it comes to actually having been religious; I have no other reason to be bitter about it either. In fact, having had an extreme anxiety problem as a kid, I leaned on what I believed to be God to help me through it. I realize today it was simply the placebo effect, but back then, it was a true comfort. It was like I had a security blanket when I needed it, and as I grew older and could be strong on my own, I slowly let go of it. The timing couldn't have been better.

Plus, it gave me a first-hand, inside perspective of the mind of a true believer; which comes in handy when debating with theists.

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12-10-2012, 01:35 PM
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I feel not bitter towards my fellow human beings that are so gullible as to fall for one of the world's most despicable cons, but I feel a bitter animosity to the founders and the ones who hold such people in high reverence. The Pope, for example, is a man I despise. A man who would go forth with his "infallibility" and use it in such a way as to discourage the usage of condoms in Africa.

I despise religion. I am angry, and frankly, I see nothing wrong with feeling such emotion towards something that stole fifteen years of my life away. Something that taught me to hate people, to ignore education, and to regress in my emotional development. Fuck. Religion. I respect no religious ideal, only tolerate it.

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13-10-2012, 04:52 PM
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Noone said it is wrong to feel angry or in any way negative towards religion or their ex faith. I do understand where you are coming from. But I, for my part, and for my exfaith, feel no bitterness. Though I am a little stunned that I did believe in all these things.
And generally I am anti relgion but that is a whole other topic.

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13-10-2012, 05:14 PM
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Why try to have said positive outlook?

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14-10-2012, 02:38 AM
RE: Not bitter
I think being bitter and angry takes a lot of energy that I can use in more productive ways Smile I am not even surpressing it, I am just not getting angry at most things.
But when I look at my ex faith, there is simply nothing that could make even slightly angry. Is is bullshit to believe in these things? Yes. Does my exfaith hurt anyone? No! And that's the difference. The esotheric circles, all the witches, druids, and so on, they have never started a religious war. They were hunted down though. But they went into hiding instead of fighting. Christianity, Islam those are the ones that deserve to be met with anger. Not my anger though, as I dropped out of that as a kid.
Religion makes you ignore scientific proof, and a few religions caused a lot of war, that is why I am anti relgion. But not because of my very ex faith, not because of anger or bitterness.

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14-10-2012, 02:59 AM
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(14-10-2012 02:38 AM)Leela Wrote:  Does my exfaith hurt anyone? No!

You are lucky.

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14-10-2012, 04:07 AM
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I do take issue with #1. Just because something's made in a laboratory doesn't make it evil. The drugs used in hospitals and prescribed by doctors are used because they are effective. You may not believe it, but I guarantee every single herb you believe has beneficial effects has been investigated and tested for use on all sorts of diseases. And if it had actual curative power, it became used in the medical industry. See Aspirin, which is based on a chemical found in willow bark. If daffodils and rosemary and random herbs had beneficial effects on health they would be bottled and sold as such. To argue otherwise is to argue that drug companies aren't profit-obsessed evil corporations that will try to turn a buck on anything.


Maybe I'm assuming too much, but I've seen a lot of this anti-medicine crap and it's almost (not quite, but almost) as anti-scientific as Young Earth Creationism. In fact, it's closely tied to homeopathy and that whole multi-billion dollar con game. I'm sorry, but I have to strongly disagree with you on that viewpoint.

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614C → 714N + e + ̅νe
2 K(s) + 2 H2O(l) → 2 KOH(aq) + H2 (g) + 196 kJ/mol
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14-10-2012, 08:15 AM (This post was last modified: 14-10-2012 08:30 AM by Leela.)
RE: Not bitter
I did not take against medicine.

edit: Had a stomach emergency here...
continuing from beofre: I simply pointed out what I learnt, that this is one of the good things, and that is actually something you can not argue against. I like to know what I put in my body as much as possible. If I can make myself a tea that helps me just as well as a pill, I will drink the tea. And it is nothing like homeopathy. Homeopathy is bullshit because it talks about thinning something until it has only a trace of whatever was in there, so basically no healing power at all left in the water. Tea is not thinned out. depending on what herbs/roots you use and how you treat them you get different ways to treat stuff. And again, if I can I will do that instead of taking a pill. I don't care if companies put that stuff in their pills too, if I can, I will not take a pill.
But de facto, right now I just took a pill for my stomach > guess what, I have no herb at home that could help me with it right now, so I took a pill.

This thread is not about medicine, it is about bitterness concerning ex religion, it is about having gotten good things out of it. You can disagree on the use of herbs as much as you like, I still see that as one of the good parts. When I got kids, they will learn first hand what stuff out there, in the forests is useful and what isn't, just as I know it most of the time. You see, knowing about nature, and about the use of things in nature is good, not bad.

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