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16-08-2013, 11:27 PM
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(16-08-2013 11:20 PM)DLJ Wrote:  4. Then there is your old comfort blanket gathering dust in the corner of your room, so inviting, so enticing and so ... comforting.

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17-08-2013, 01:14 PM
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I think most people weren't really Atheist to begin with and didn't really have an opinion about the existence of a god. These individuals who were drug users or alcoholics feel like the scum of the earth so when someone presents them the idea that there is an all powerful being out there who still loves them regardless of how badly they fucked up it seems very appealing.

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17-08-2013, 02:04 PM
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Or someone convinced them that they were an atheist.
"When was the last time you spoke to god" ?
"Have you ever felt that connection to god" ?
"When did you stop having faith in god" ?
"When did you stop beating your spouse" ?

"Without a connection to god, you are an atheist. And the first step to any cure is admitting what you were.
Say the words - I am an atheist and then say - I am an addict and I am helpless."

I can see someone talking another person into believing that they were an "atheist" and then of course talking them into believing in a god.

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17-08-2013, 02:07 PM
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To me it's simple, I can't believe what I know to be wrong. There is nothing that can make my brain do this.

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17-08-2013, 02:24 PM
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(16-08-2013 01:51 PM)TheStraightener Wrote:  Have you noticed that when you speak to a religious person who used to be an atheist, they were never just an atheist. They always say things like "oh I was a alcoholic atheist" or "oh I used to be an atheist drug addict!".

This annoys me

Nobody was ever just an atheist. There's always a negative attached to it, almost as if atheism is synonymous with poor behaviour.

Do you think this had helped shape the image that us atheists are bad people? Well, bad to mentally Ill people who believe in ghosts in the sky at least.

Religion is an institution fundamental to a lot of societies and groups and fundamental to the people apart of those societies and groups.

Atheism is simply a rejection of that, and if you are open about rejecting something fundamental to certain people, they will respond accordingly, regardless. Atheism should be supposed to have a negative connotation.

You could look at something like Marxism. In a society, like the US, where capitalism is something that has been definitely established as a fundamental institution within the society, a rejection of it should be assumed to have negative connotation. Also, it should be assumed that a rejection of the fundamental institution would result in the ostracizing of a person and a struggle for prosperity, by that person, within the society. Especially at an earlier, prior to being established, stage in their lives.

You would expect the word atheist to be used, like Marxist, communist, socialist, etc., is used in the US, i.e., in order to alienate people with different views. However, if someone labeled themselves a Marxist, at a time when they were homeless and rejected mainstream society, after they finally accepted capitalism, got help, got a job, went to school, had a successful career, etc., I doubt I would question that they were ever rejecting capitalism at an earlier stage in their lives.

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18-08-2013, 03:08 AM
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Fortunately where I live there are hardly any religious people. The churches see attendance of about 5 - 10 people and I'd say none of them are under 50. We are a population of around 30,000 people and religion has no place here.

I'm not familiar with the feeling of being an outcast because of my atheism and I dont suffer in my life because of it.

I'm fact, it's safe to say that people are ashamed to admit they are religious where I live and most are quite open about their disbelief.

No doubt in biblical times god would have smited us all lol
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18-08-2013, 03:14 AM
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(18-08-2013 03:08 AM)TheStraightener Wrote:  Fortunately where I live there are hardly any religious people. The churches see attendance of about 5 - 10 people and I'd say none of them are under 50. We are a population of around 30,000 people and religion has no place here.

I'm not familiar with the feeling of being an outcast because of my atheism and I dont suffer in my life because of it.

I'm fact, it's safe to say that people are ashamed to admit they are religious where I live and most are quite open about their disbelief.

No doubt in biblical times god would have smited us all lol

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06-09-2013, 12:30 PM
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(16-08-2013 03:23 PM)Dom Wrote:  It has always been a mystery to me, how anyone could go back to being a believer after having been atheist.

I mean, how do you suddenly start believing shit you know isn't true?

Try asking Peter Hitchens!
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06-09-2013, 07:34 PM
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(06-09-2013 12:30 PM)veitstoss Wrote:  
(16-08-2013 03:23 PM)Dom Wrote:  It has always been a mystery to me, how anyone could go back to being a believer after having been atheist.

I mean, how do you suddenly start believing shit you know isn't true?

My thought on this was some exceptional personal flaw that created an overwhelming need for forgiveness. Beats his wife or kids, alcoholic, gambler, you name it. Gets totally out of control and needs to replace the father figure in his or her life that is missing. I don't know for sure, but that's always been my guess. Go to an AA meeting, you'll see a bunch of former atheists who "became powerless over their own lives." We aren't taught how to deal with our emotions in this culture and then we are surprised when people have all this suppressed dark shit and avoidance behavior.

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06-09-2013, 07:50 PM (This post was last modified: 06-09-2013 07:57 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Not just a former Atheist
(17-08-2013 02:07 PM)Dom Wrote:  To me it's simple, I can't believe what I know to be wrong. There is nothing that can make my brain do this.

Yeah, that's got it. Thumbsup

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Your shadow at morning striding behind you
Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;
I will show you fear in a handful of dust.
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