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07-03-2014, 12:10 PM
RE: Nothing, doesn't exist
(07-03-2014 11:45 AM)donotwant Wrote:  To say that something does not exist you also must prove it.



False logic. If you cannot understand this exceptionally basic concept, there is no hope for you.

The burden of proof is always upon the person who makes a POSITIVE claim. A positive claim in this situation is if you say that nothingness is a something.

Nothingness is NOTHING, therefore, where there is NOTHING, there is NO PROOF.

There is NOTHING to prove.

How can anyone become an atheist when we are all born with no beliefs in the first place? We are atheists because we were born this way.
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07-03-2014, 12:15 PM
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As for nothing it depends how you define nothing.
Because absence of something certainly does exist. I can prove that there is no supermassive black hole 10 kilometers away from earth.
The burden of proof lies on both negative and positive claims.
As for absence of everything we don't know if it can exist or not.
And to say that absence of everything can't possibly exist or never existed you must prove it.
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07-03-2014, 12:34 PM
RE: Nothing, doesn't exist
(07-03-2014 10:32 AM)donotwant Wrote:  In this case you can't assert that nothing doesn't exist. But the other side can't assert that nothing exists either.
First you have to define "Nothing" and then i'll consider that if something like that is even possible or not every single atom counts for "something" instead of nothing... even the mere presence of physical laws is something "Nothing" is just an oxymoron in this case.

Dreams/Hallucinations/delusions are not evidence
Wishful thinking is not evidence
Disproved statements&Illogical conclusions are not evidence
Logical fallacies&Unsubstantiated claims are not evidence
Vague prophecies is not evidence
Data that requires a certain belief is not evidence
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07-03-2014, 12:39 PM
RE: Nothing, doesn't exist
(07-03-2014 12:34 PM)IndianAtheist Wrote:  
(07-03-2014 10:32 AM)donotwant Wrote:  In this case you can't assert that nothing doesn't exist. But the other side can't assert that nothing exists either.
First you have to define "Nothing" and then i'll consider that if something like that is even possible or not every single atom counts for "something" instead of nothing... even the mere presence of physical laws is something "Nothing" is just an oxymoron in this case.

Yeah so in order for Free to assert that nothing doesn't exist he must define nothing and make his case.
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07-03-2014, 12:41 PM
RE: Nothing, doesn't exist
(07-03-2014 12:39 PM)donotwant Wrote:  Yeah so in order for Free to assert that nothing doesn't exist he must define nothing and make his case.
First you have to define "nothing"

Dreams/Hallucinations/delusions are not evidence
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Disproved statements&Illogical conclusions are not evidence
Logical fallacies&Unsubstantiated claims are not evidence
Vague prophecies is not evidence
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07-03-2014, 12:42 PM
RE: Nothing, doesn't exist
(07-03-2014 12:15 PM)donotwant Wrote:  Because absence of something certainly does exist.

No it does not.

Nothingness does not exist. It is impossible for there to be nothingness. This is very basic logic and reasoning.

Nothingness is a non existence.


Quote: I can prove that there is no supermassive black hole 10 kilometers away from earth.

Really? Well then, by all means, prove it. Otherwise, you have nothing but empty claims.
Quote:The burden of proof lies on both negative and positive claims.

Incorrect. The burden of proof is always upon those make the positive claim.

Quote:As for absence of everything we don't know if it can exist or not.
And to say that absence of everything can't possibly exist or never existed you must prove it.

Your mentality is identical to a theist. You demand negative proof when proving a negative is impossible.

You are quite done here.

How can anyone become an atheist when we are all born with no beliefs in the first place? We are atheists because we were born this way.
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07-03-2014, 12:44 PM
RE: Nothing, doesn't exist
Nothingness will forever be condemned to exist---at the very least--- as a concept (or......at least for as long as there are sentient beings to juggle that concept around).

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07-03-2014, 12:53 PM (This post was last modified: 07-03-2014 12:56 PM by donotwant.)
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If you can't prove that nothing does not exist then don't say that nothing does not exist.
As for black hole we wouldn't be here if a black hole would be near us because it would destroy us.
However when somebody says nothing does exist he also must prove it.
Just give up and admit defeat.
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07-03-2014, 12:59 PM
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(07-03-2014 12:53 PM)donotwant Wrote:  If you can't prove that Gawd does not exist then don't say that Gawd does not exist.
.......Consider

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07-03-2014, 01:02 PM
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(07-03-2014 12:59 PM)IndianAtheist Wrote:  
(07-03-2014 12:53 PM)donotwant Wrote:  If you can't prove that Gawd does not exist then don't say that Gawd does not exist.
.......Consider

Oh for fucks sake.
http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?t...._agnostic
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