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07-03-2014, 01:05 PM
RE: Nothing, doesn't exist
(07-03-2014 12:53 PM)donotwant Wrote:  If you can't prove that nothing does not exist then don't say that nothing does not exist.
As for black hole we wouldn't be here if a black hole would be near us because it would destroy us.
However when somebody says nothing does exist he also must prove it.
Just give up and admit you lost.

No, you are missing the point.

While yes, this thread was started as a question as to exactly what the definition of nothingness is, Free is presenting to you a tautology based ON the definition he is supporting. You don't need to present empirical evidence to support the statement that all bachelors are unmarried because a bachelor is an unmarried man by definition of the word. Similarly, 1+1 is by definition equal to 2 within a base 10 system. Free is stating that nothingness is non-existent because the two are the same thing by definition.

If you want to argue with him, argue with him on the definition, but asking for empirical evidence to back up a tautological statement is nonsensical since the reasoning is a priori.

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07-03-2014, 01:09 PM
RE: Nothing, doesn't exist
(07-03-2014 01:05 PM)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:  
(07-03-2014 12:53 PM)donotwant Wrote:  If you can't prove that nothing does not exist then don't say that nothing does not exist.
As for black hole we wouldn't be here if a black hole would be near us because it would destroy us.
However when somebody says nothing does exist he also must prove it.
Just give up and admit you lost.

No, you are missing the point.

While yes, this thread was started as a question as to exactly what the definition of nothingness is, Free is presenting to you a tautology based ON the definition he is supporting. You don't need to present empirical evidence to support the statement that all bachelors are unmarried because a bachelor is an unmarried man by definition of the word. Similarly, 1+1 is by definition equal to 2 within a base 10 system. Free is stating that nothingness is non-existent because the two are the same thing by definition.

If you want to argue with him, argue with him on the definition, but asking for empirical evidence to back up a tautological statement is nonsensical since the reasoning is a priori.

Well if you want to make that kind of nothing then fine.
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07-03-2014, 02:33 PM
RE: Nothing, doesn't exist
(07-03-2014 01:05 PM)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:  
(07-03-2014 12:53 PM)donotwant Wrote:  If you can't prove that nothing does not exist then don't say that nothing does not exist.
As for black hole we wouldn't be here if a black hole would be near us because it would destroy us.
However when somebody says nothing does exist he also must prove it.
Just give up and admit you lost.

No, you are missing the point.

While yes, this thread was started as a question as to exactly what the definition of nothingness is, Free is presenting to you a tautology based ON the definition he is supporting. You don't need to present empirical evidence to support the statement that all bachelors are unmarried because a bachelor is an unmarried man by definition of the word. Similarly, 1+1 is by definition equal to 2 within a base 10 system. Free is stating that nothingness is non-existent because the two are the same thing by definition.

If you want to argue with him, argue with him on the definition, but asking for empirical evidence to back up a tautological statement is nonsensical since the reasoning is a priori.

Precisely, but my mistake was assuming he already knew that nothingness and non-existence were the same thing, and that the reasoning was self-evident.

To me, it's as simple as counting numbers ...

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22-08-2017, 08:58 PM
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(06-03-2014 10:08 PM)Raptor Jesus Wrote:  I could have posted this in the science section of the forum, but as theist love to argue with non-theist on a universe coming from nothing, I feel it fits here.

The question is, "what is nothing"? My feeling is that nothing doesn't exist...by definition. I've had this thought before every once in awhile through out my life, but it's come more to a point, or purpose, having read Lawrence Krauss' A Universe from Nothing. In it he argues that the dismissal by theist of a universe coming from nothing is a fault of theist misunderstanding of "nothing" from an archaic perceptive.

I read a lot of things theist say about this, and they basically see it as ridiculous to redefine nothing as a sort of...something. It's hard to not see their point, but I had thought about this a lot in life. What actually is nothing?

The second you define nothing, it becomes a thing. Even if there is nothing there...whatever that could mean...then one could still measure the nothingness there, the size and value, the weight, or lack of weight (that's still a measure) and if you can give any parameters to it...then it's a thing. In that sense, nothing would be a thing. So nothing, couldn't actually be nothing. So there seems there can't really be "nothing". Nothing can't be a thing, and remain nothing.

Krauss' point is that nothing is actually as something. But that's not really my point. The nothing of actual non-existence can't actually be a thing.

I could go on like this...but what are your thoughts? Just curious...
Hello. i have a thought. everything exists, nothing does not. Everything that is thought, exists. The question is how many dimensions do your thoughts carry? People's thought can be as thin as silk and as one sided as paper. Thinking of nothing is the lack of thought. When people day dream and someone says, "what are you thinking about?" and the person says, "nothing". There is so much more there than nothing, the word nothing is used to nullify topics of conversation, often. the substance of nothing is non existent, everywhere we look there is something, there is no direction that leads nowhere. The words themselves carry alternate meanings. nowhere, nothing, never. break through buddy, i am discovering everything.
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22-08-2017, 09:13 PM
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i like this thread. What do you think a severe Alzheimer patient is thinking? everything exists, nothing does not. thought exists, how many dimensions do your thoughts have? they can be measured but they supposedly cannot be seen by others. these words that we use, nothing, never, nowhere, all carry alternate meanings except by definition. But a few things i know, the road to nowhere does not exist, never consists of an infinite amount of time and there is always something to be said about "nothing".
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22-08-2017, 09:17 PM
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So you think sparkly pink unicorns exist.
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22-08-2017, 09:46 PM
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Q: What is nothing?

A: The amount in my bank account.

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22-08-2017, 09:58 PM
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What happened in this thread between tonight and 3 1/2 years ago?

Nothing!

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22-08-2017, 10:01 PM
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(22-08-2017 09:58 PM)LostLocke Wrote:  What happened in this thread between tonight and 3 1/2 years ago?

Nothing!

An idiot arrived.

As per usual.

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22-08-2017, 10:34 PM
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(22-08-2017 09:17 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  So you think sparkly pink unicorns exist.
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Conceptually, yes.

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