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07-03-2014, 01:05 PM
RE: Nothing, doesn't exist
(07-03-2014 12:53 PM)donotwant Wrote:  If you can't prove that nothing does not exist then don't say that nothing does not exist.
As for black hole we wouldn't be here if a black hole would be near us because it would destroy us.
However when somebody says nothing does exist he also must prove it.
Just give up and admit you lost.

No, you are missing the point.

While yes, this thread was started as a question as to exactly what the definition of nothingness is, Free is presenting to you a tautology based ON the definition he is supporting. You don't need to present empirical evidence to support the statement that all bachelors are unmarried because a bachelor is an unmarried man by definition of the word. Similarly, 1+1 is by definition equal to 2 within a base 10 system. Free is stating that nothingness is non-existent because the two are the same thing by definition.

If you want to argue with him, argue with him on the definition, but asking for empirical evidence to back up a tautological statement is nonsensical since the reasoning is a priori.

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07-03-2014, 01:09 PM
RE: Nothing, doesn't exist
(07-03-2014 01:05 PM)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:  
(07-03-2014 12:53 PM)donotwant Wrote:  If you can't prove that nothing does not exist then don't say that nothing does not exist.
As for black hole we wouldn't be here if a black hole would be near us because it would destroy us.
However when somebody says nothing does exist he also must prove it.
Just give up and admit you lost.

No, you are missing the point.

While yes, this thread was started as a question as to exactly what the definition of nothingness is, Free is presenting to you a tautology based ON the definition he is supporting. You don't need to present empirical evidence to support the statement that all bachelors are unmarried because a bachelor is an unmarried man by definition of the word. Similarly, 1+1 is by definition equal to 2 within a base 10 system. Free is stating that nothingness is non-existent because the two are the same thing by definition.

If you want to argue with him, argue with him on the definition, but asking for empirical evidence to back up a tautological statement is nonsensical since the reasoning is a priori.

Well if you want to make that kind of nothing then fine.
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07-03-2014, 02:33 PM
RE: Nothing, doesn't exist
(07-03-2014 01:05 PM)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:  
(07-03-2014 12:53 PM)donotwant Wrote:  If you can't prove that nothing does not exist then don't say that nothing does not exist.
As for black hole we wouldn't be here if a black hole would be near us because it would destroy us.
However when somebody says nothing does exist he also must prove it.
Just give up and admit you lost.

No, you are missing the point.

While yes, this thread was started as a question as to exactly what the definition of nothingness is, Free is presenting to you a tautology based ON the definition he is supporting. You don't need to present empirical evidence to support the statement that all bachelors are unmarried because a bachelor is an unmarried man by definition of the word. Similarly, 1+1 is by definition equal to 2 within a base 10 system. Free is stating that nothingness is non-existent because the two are the same thing by definition.

If you want to argue with him, argue with him on the definition, but asking for empirical evidence to back up a tautological statement is nonsensical since the reasoning is a priori.

Precisely, but my mistake was assuming he already knew that nothingness and non-existence were the same thing, and that the reasoning was self-evident.

To me, it's as simple as counting numbers ...

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