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16-11-2017, 05:35 PM
RE: Nothing, doesn't exist
this isn't or shouldn't be hard. absolute nothing doesn't exist and never has. there can be no such thing as absolute nothing. if there had been, we wouldn't be here talking about it. this doesn't take much brain power to comprehend.
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16-11-2017, 09:17 PM
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(16-11-2017 05:35 PM)idseer Wrote:  this isn't or shouldn't be hard. absolute nothing doesn't exist and never has. there can be no such thing as absolute nothing. if there had been, we wouldn't be here talking about it. this doesn't take much brain power to comprehend.

Okay, lesson over. Everyone turn to the next chapter in our book, Infinity. Infinity is everything, so...not much to learn or think about there either.

Fuck it. Let's have recess. Dodgy

But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.

~ Umberto Eco
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17-11-2017, 10:30 AM
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(06-03-2014 10:08 PM)Raptor Jesus Wrote:  I could have posted this in the science section of the forum, but as theist love to argue with non-theist on a universe coming from nothing, I feel it fits here.

The question is, "what is nothing"? My feeling is that nothing doesn't exist...by definition. I've had this thought before every once in awhile through out my life, but it's come more to a point, or purpose, having read Lawrence Krauss' A Universe from Nothing. In it he argues that the dismissal by theist of a universe coming from nothing is a fault of theist misunderstanding of "nothing" from an archaic perceptive.

I read a lot of things theist say about this, and they basically see it as ridiculous to redefine nothing as a sort of...something. It's hard to not see their point, but I had thought about this a lot in life. What actually is nothing?

The second you define nothing, it becomes a thing. Even if there is nothing there...whatever that could mean...then one could still measure the nothingness there, the size and value, the weight, or lack of weight (that's still a measure) and if you can give any parameters to it...then it's a thing. In that sense, nothing would be a thing. So nothing, couldn't actually be nothing. So there seems there can't really be "nothing". Nothing can't be a thing, and remain nothing.

Krauss' point is that nothing is actually as something. But that's not really my point. The nothing of actual non-existence can't actually be a thing.

I could go on like this...but what are your thoughts? Just curious...

Yes, there may be something rather than nothing. Or, there may have been so need of anything at all.

Nothingness is a nonexistence. The universe cannot come from a nonexistence. It either came from a previous existence, or it has always existed.

There are only those two choices.

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18-11-2017, 09:21 AM
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that's not really two choices. they both still say the same thing.
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18-11-2017, 09:34 AM
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(18-11-2017 09:21 AM)idseer Wrote:  that's not really two choices. they both still say the same thing.

How are they the same thing? One is an eternal existence that was never created. The other is an existence that was created.

They are starkly different.

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