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25-11-2014, 02:04 PM
RE: OBI-WAN KANOBI
(25-11-2014 01:01 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  
(25-11-2014 10:14 AM)doniston Wrote:  saga
You have an over inflated sense of worth when it comes to your made up nonsense and it's value. Textbook Dunning-Kruger.

(25-11-2014 10:14 AM)doniston Wrote:  Quote : In my beliefs, when a person passes on, it is only the life force that moves (perhaps called the soul)
There is no evidence of a "life force" in the way you are trying to present it.
There is no evidence for a soul in the way you, or any religion, presents it.
There is no evidence that this non-existent thing exists within the body, outside of the body, or can leave or enter the body.

(25-11-2014 10:14 AM)doniston Wrote:  and if undestroyed by his or her own doubts
There is no evidence that the non-existent soul, if it did exist, can be destroyed by "doubt".
You have provided no explanation or mechanic to justify the belief that this is so.

(25-11-2014 10:14 AM)doniston Wrote:  “The force”, which according to my belief, is a secondary area of existence wherein these life forces co- mingle
There is no evidence that "the force" as you present it exists.
There is no evidence that there are" secondary areas of existence". Nor do you supply an explanation or mechanic to justify this belief.
There is no evidence that non-existent "life forces" can commingle with other non-existent life forces. You provide no explanation or mechanic as to how this is even possible, let alone probable.

(25-11-2014 10:14 AM)doniston Wrote:  yet because they are an intelligence, can perceive any manner of comfort or privilege of which they can conceive ( heaven)
Intelligence is an emergent property of the brain and there is no evidence that it can exist outside the brain. you provide no explanation or evidence that this is not the case.
There is no evidence that a non-biologically locked intelligence exists, can exist, or that it can perceive anything at all.

(25-11-2014 10:14 AM)doniston Wrote:  In your dreams, or nightmares you can conceive almost anything)
This is factually untrue, and valueless as a statement. I can think of multiple things you can not conceive of right now.

(25-11-2014 10:14 AM)doniston Wrote:  Scientifically this might be what is considered alternate existences (string theory).
There is nothing even remotely scientific about what you have said thus far.
There is no evidence that anything you have said has anything to do with string theory and you have provided no mechanic or evidence to show otherwise. Your knowledge of quantum mechanics has already been shown to be horrible, you are unqualified to make these claims.

(25-11-2014 10:14 AM)doniston Wrote:  No, the soul leaves the body BECAUSE of death, it doesn't die because the soul leaves the body.
There is no evidence that a soul exists or that it does, or is capable of, leaving the body.


(25-11-2014 10:14 AM)doniston Wrote:  I believe the soul (note, I also referred to it as mentality)
There is no evidence, and thus no reason to believe, the "soul" as you present it has anything to do with the mind or intellect. You have failed to demonstrate a mechanic by which they are related.


(25-11-2014 10:14 AM)doniston Wrote:  might suffer a breakdown as a result of trauma ( commonly referred to as guilt, and therefore might end up in a never never land which the religious refer to as purgatory.
There is no evidence that a soul exists or that it can be damaged by guilt, nor have you offered any explanation as to how that is possible.
There is no evidence that any place like purgatory exists.
You also make the mistake of saying religious in a broad way when the VAST majority of religions don't have a concept of purgatory.

(25-11-2014 10:14 AM)doniston Wrote:  the soul remains a part of the body until death, even when ridden with guilt.
There is no evidence that soul is a part of anything let alone that it can be damaged by guilt, or that it remains housed in a body.

(25-11-2014 10:14 AM)doniston Wrote:  Now is that childish enough for you?
yes what you have said thus far is extremely childish and sounds more like wish fulfillment and personal delusion.

(25-11-2014 10:14 AM)doniston Wrote:  Regeneration??? that's nonsense
What evidence did you use to come to the conclusion that your beliefs are not nonsense but that that idea is? Or did you pull it out of your ass again?

(25-11-2014 10:14 AM)doniston Wrote:  I remember, many years ago a study was made th t claimed that the soul has a very infinitesimal weight, which was measurable. ( Of course I can't prove it: I just remember it)
You are thinking of the "experiment" done by Duncan MacDougall in 1901. It's been thoroughly debunked almost right from the start, as his methods were flawed and he missreported his findings. There is no evidence that the soul weighs anything. More 100 years outta date information from you. Shocking.Drinking Beverage

(25-11-2014 10:14 AM)doniston Wrote:  In the alternative, If you ever saw someone die, you would know that something leaves their body, (the life spark)
Ive personally seen many more people die then I would have liked to, frequently up close and personal, and a few in very violent circumstances. There is no evidence that anything "leaves the body" any more then something "leaves" the TV the second you unplug the power.

(25-11-2014 10:14 AM)doniston Wrote:  I think we are.
There is no evidence that it exists or that we are currently a part of it.

(25-11-2014 10:14 AM)doniston Wrote:  you and I are just a much God, as he, that we are all part of God (in my estimation, Nature)
You are conflating terms intentionally.
There is no evidence for anything you just said.


(25-11-2014 10:14 AM)doniston Wrote:  In my opinion these questions are quite idiotic
Then they fit right in with your idiotic beliefs. That said they are actually completely reasonable questions to ask a crazy person who holds views with no basis in reality.
(25-11-2014 10:14 AM)doniston Wrote:  1. it's part of the living body.
2. I have already answered that.
3. I have no idea what that means.
4. are you suggesting that one soul can be a part of two bodies??? redicules
5. what's a soul leg???
6. I would assume so, while the body is alive
7. what is a sol brain? If you are speaking of a trnsferred mentality, and to which I have referred, it is neither a brain or a soul brain. That is even more redicules.
1.) No evidence at all.
2.) Answers are grounded in evidence. You have provided no evidence so you have given a baseless response to back up a baseless claim but you have no answered anything.
3.) Does the soul while in the body or exiting the body interact with other matter or space? This was an extremely basic question.
4.) What evidence did you utilize to come to the conclusion that this was ridiculous and your bullshit was not. Display this standard of measurement.
6.) Based on what evidence do you basis this assertion?
7.)What evidence did you utilize to come to the conclusion that this was ridiculous and your bullshit was not. Display this standard of measurement.



So now that we have established you have no good reason to believe the things you do lets ask the important question:
WHY do you hold the beliefs and opinions that you do?
Oh that's funny, is that your whiskey talking, or you, and by the way, where do you get that "WE"" stuff, It seems it's only you ranting away, Can't you speak for yourself? and neither you or "we" have established anything but your own stupidity,

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25-11-2014, 02:11 PM
RE: OBI-WAN KANOBI
(25-11-2014 01:43 PM)doniston Wrote:  Look dummy, the Gloves are now off since I can say just about anything to you I wish (RULES)

Oh noes! Without your Velcro gloves how will you hold your sippy cup. Your gonna get apple juice all over the floor kiddo.
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25-11-2014, 02:12 PM
RE: OBI-WAN KANOBI
(25-11-2014 01:51 PM)doniston Wrote:  
(25-11-2014 01:01 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  You have an over inflated sense of worth when it comes to your made up nonsense and it's value. Textbook Dunning-Kruger.

There is no evidence of a "life force" in the way you are trying to present it.
There is no evidence for a soul in the way you, or any religion, presents it.
There is no evidence that this non-existent thing exists within the body, outside of the body, or can leave or enter the body.

There is no evidence that the non-existent soul, if it did exist, can be destroyed by "doubt".
You have provided no explanation or mechanic to justify the belief that this is so.

There is no evidence that "the force" as you present it exists.
There is no evidence that there are" secondary areas of existence". Nor do you supply an explanation or mechanic to justify this belief.
There is no evidence that non-existent "life forces" can commingle with other non-existent life forces. You provide no explanation or mechanic as to how this is even possible, let alone probable.

Intelligence is an emergent property of the brain and there is no evidence that it can exist outside the brain. you provide no explanation or evidence that this is not the case.
There is no evidence that a non-biologically locked intelligence exists, can exist, or that it can perceive anything at all.

This is factually untrue, and valueless as a statement. I can think of multiple things you can not conceive of right now.

There is nothing even remotely scientific about what you have said thus far.
There is no evidence that anything you have said has anything to do with string theory and you have provided no mechanic or evidence to show otherwise. Your knowledge of quantum mechanics has already been shown to be horrible, you are unqualified to make these claims.

There is no evidence that a soul exists or that it does, or is capable of, leaving the body.


There is no evidence, and thus no reason to believe, the "soul" as you present it has anything to do with the mind or intellect. You have failed to demonstrate a mechanic by which they are related.


There is no evidence that a soul exists or that it can be damaged by guilt, nor have you offered any explanation as to how that is possible.
There is no evidence that any place like purgatory exists.
You also make the mistake of saying religious in a broad way when the VAST majority of religions don't have a concept of purgatory.

There is no evidence that soul is a part of anything let alone that it can be damaged by guilt, or that it remains housed in a body.

yes what you have said thus far is extremely childish and sounds more like wish fulfillment and personal delusion.

What evidence did you use to come to the conclusion that your beliefs are not nonsense but that that idea is? Or did you pull it out of your ass again?

You are thinking of the "experiment" done by Duncan MacDougall in 1901. It's been thoroughly debunked almost right from the start, as his methods were flawed and he missreported his findings. There is no evidence that the soul weighs anything. More 100 years outta date information from you. Shocking.Drinking Beverage

Ive personally seen many more people die then I would have liked to, frequently up close and personal, and a few in very violent circumstances. There is no evidence that anything "leaves the body" any more then something "leaves" the TV the second you unplug the power.

There is no evidence that it exists or that we are currently a part of it.

You are conflating terms intentionally.
There is no evidence for anything you just said.


Then they fit right in with your idiotic beliefs. That said they are actually completely reasonable questions to ask a crazy person who holds views with no basis in reality.
1.) No evidence at all.
2.) Answers are grounded in evidence. You have provided no evidence so you have given a baseless response to back up a baseless claim but you have no answered anything.
3.) Does the soul while in the body or exiting the body interact with other matter or space? This was an extremely basic question.
4.) What evidence did you utilize to come to the conclusion that this was ridiculous and your bullshit was not. Display this standard of measurement.
6.) Based on what evidence do you basis this assertion?
7.)What evidence did you utilize to come to the conclusion that this was ridiculous and your bullshit was not. Display this standard of measurement.



So now that we have established you have no good reason to believe the things you do lets ask the important question:
WHY do you hold the beliefs and opinions that you do?

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25-11-2014, 02:16 PM
RE: OBI-WAN KANOBI
(25-11-2014 01:43 PM)doniston Wrote:  Look dummy, the Gloves are now off since I can say just about anything to you I wish (RULES)

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25-11-2014, 02:27 PM (This post was last modified: 25-11-2014 03:43 PM by Clockwork.)
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Doniston, I think what some are saying is that you call this "scientific christian spiritualism," yet you don't accept science. For example, the Rutherford-Bohr model.

I'm not attacking you, but do you at least see why many have trouble with this?
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25-11-2014, 02:33 PM
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(25-11-2014 02:04 PM)doniston Wrote:  Oh that's funny, is that your whiskey talking, or you, and by the way, where do you get that "WE"" stuff, It seems it's only you ranting away, Can't you speak for yourself? and neither you or "we" have established anything but your own stupidity,

Yah, I can say that, the Mods just told me it's OK. "Surprisingly I must admit". when I learned that, I was thinking of leaving, but tho I would prefer to be civil. but when in Rome,*****

1.) If all you have in response to the demolition of your argument is a joke I have heard a dozen times before and a heaping pile of Ad Hominem fallacy then you ain't got nothin' son. If you can't, or are too afraid to, address the fucking points a person makes why open your idiot mouth at all? You don't look witty ( Dur dur dur he has whiskey in his nameHobo ). Drinking Beverage

2.) If I have "established my own stupidity" then why don't you demonstrate that by countering a single fucking point I made or proving a single claim you made and stop hiding like a bitch. That's 3 posts now where you have either completely ignored the refutation of your beliefs legitimacy, or cried cried cried about how uncivil I am. Well fuck you princess respect is earned and so far you have presented yourself as a bargain bin woo peddler who does not understand that an opinion held without or against the evidence is a worthless fucking opinion.

You can call me stupid till you are blue in the face, your opinion means nothing to me because I DEMONSTRATED you are stupid. Twice. Still waiting to find out if you changed your mind on the whole atom= solar system stupidity.

3.) I said "we" cause other people already have demonstrated you don't have any actual reasons to support your idiotic bullshit, I just added another nail in that coffin. I can speak for myself, I just did in fact. Why don't you try actually thinking, this would go a lot smoother for you if you did. Drinking Beverage

4.) Telling you repeatedly you have no evidence is not a rant, it's an education. I'm not surprised you can't tell the difference.

5.) I'm glad you asked mommy if you can call me stupid, did she put your big boy pants on for you as well?

6.) Stomping into a room, telling everyone that you don't have to prove a fucking thing that you say, and then repeatedly calling peoples questions stupid (especially when they refute your entire argument, which many have) is not a fucking civil way of doing things you complete asshole.
Insisting you will only have a conversation if you control all the rules and too damn bad for everyone else is not civil it's a mark of a lazy, self important, self aggrandizing bully.
Address the points or take your butt hurt lil' bitch routine some place else, it's a pedestrian and boring way to cover your inability to support your bullshit.

7.) Answer the fucking question: WHY do you believe the things you believe?

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25-11-2014, 02:46 PM
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(25-11-2014 02:27 PM)Clockwork Wrote:  Doniston, I think what some are saying is that you call this "scientific christian spiritualism," yet you don't accept science. For example, the Rutherford-Bohr model.

I'm not attacking you, but do you at least why many have trouble with this?
Of course I do. I am a maverick and don't approach things the way they do, For instance you cold call that model betsy ross, and I wouldn't know the difference, I'm not trying to make a name for my self, but I am learning from the others not near as much as if they were more civil. I am going on what I have learned in my life to the present, I don't need books or studies to witness what I arlready have experienced. and I am a lifelong student of logic and if things are not logical, they are not part of concerns

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25-11-2014, 02:51 PM
RE: OBI-WAN KANOBI
(25-11-2014 02:11 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  
(25-11-2014 01:43 PM)doniston Wrote:  Look dummy, the Gloves are now off since I can say just about anything to you I wish (RULES)

Oh noes! Without your Velcro gloves how will you hold your sippy cup. Your gonna get apple juice all over the floor kiddo.
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well smart ass, It would appear I hold my apple juice a lot better than you hold your whiskey or your tongue

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25-11-2014, 03:01 PM
RE: OBI-WAN KANOBI
(25-11-2014 02:51 PM)doniston Wrote:  
(25-11-2014 02:11 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  Oh noes! Without your Velcro gloves how will you hold your sippy cup. Your gonna get apple juice all over the floor kiddo.
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well smart ass, It would appear I hold my apple juice a lot better than you hold your whiskey or your tongue

Nah mate, you can't award yourself victory - that's the peanut gallery's job, and from over here you look pretty sick.

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25-11-2014, 03:31 PM
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This is a magnificent trainwreck.

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