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26-11-2014, 02:16 PM (This post was last modified: 26-11-2014 02:26 PM by doniston.)
RE: OBI-WAN KANOBI
(26-11-2014 01:30 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  
(26-11-2014 09:23 AM)doniston Wrote:  Just because you say I/m wrong doesn't make it so.

Nice Strawman you got going there. I didn't say or imply you are wrong because I say you are wrong, you are wrong because you have been DEMONSTRATED to be wrong and your understanding of the workings of the atom has been DEMONSTRATED to be faulty. This is not my opinion, you are literally relying on information that is 100 years out of date and considered obsolete by the entire scientific community.
Your not wrong cause I say you are wrong, you are wrong because your position runs counter to the evidence and facts.

Feel free to offer some counter evidence to justify your continued belief in a thing that's demonstrated to be factually incorrect. I suspect instead of doing that you will just whine whine whine like you have been.

Lets see how predictable you really are.


(26-11-2014 09:23 AM)doniston Wrote:  I think you are wrong.
Is this supposed to carry any weight or value? I don't give a flying fuck what you THINK, I'm not convinced you even know how, I care about what you can prove.

You can think I'm wrong all you like but I've actually demonstrated that you are in fact wrong. In reality my position is superior cause it's independently verifiable and demonstrably true.

(26-11-2014 09:23 AM)doniston Wrote:  but that's your problem, not mine.
I have absolutely no problem with a person shown to be wrong, thinking I am wrong, cause they are already shown to be wrong. My work is already done, yours hasn't even started.

You are still back at the starting line buster.

(26-11-2014 09:23 AM)doniston Wrote:  and with all your wailing you haven't proved a thing.
Well that's just a lie, plain and simple. The ENTIRE field of quantum mechanics disproves your claim that atoms and electrons operate similar to solar systems and planets.
This is not a matter of opinion, you are just flat factually incorrect. The Bohr model, which is what your opinion is based on, has been superseded by newer information and better models.

Electrons do not orbit the nucleus in the way planets orbit the sun. This is not a matter of opinion, this has been scientifically verified and is a key component of quantum mechanics. Not a motherfucking opinion. Seriously I want you to understand this: It's not my opinion you are arguing against it's the entirety of quantum mechanics.

You are using 100 years out of date information, but by all means please DEMONSTRATE that your atom=solar system is inline with even a single aspect of quantum mechanics. That would be a neat trick.

(26-11-2014 09:23 AM)doniston Wrote:  your diagram is just a diagram.

It's not my diagram first off, I don't need to go to MS paint to make you look stupid, you are handling that admirably.
Secondly it's not "just a diagram", which by the way is a remarkably anti-scientific thing to say, it's a FACTUALLY ACCURATE representation of the topic being discussed.
Lastly if you think that the atom resembles a solar system then not only are YOU using "just a diagram" asshole I know which fucking one you are using and it's 100 years out of date and obsolete. And not cause I fucking say so dip shit.

(26-11-2014 09:23 AM)doniston Wrote:  I could make one too.

Only if the macaroni and glitter is not locked up and you haven't eaten all the glue. Drinking Beverage

I didn't fucking make that diagram you asshole, you are not required to make one either. Why not just provide one that proves your claim?
(26-11-2014 09:23 AM)doniston Wrote:  and I know you don't believe it but I likely have a higher IQ than you.
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You are making this way too easy.Laugh out load

You are right though, I don't believe it nor would I care if it was cause a High IQ is not a bulwark against being wrong. It's not a shield you can hide behind instead of actually addressing issues and criticisms which you have failed to do yet again. Once more your responses have been nothing but "nuh uh!! You're wrong!!!!1!!"

You could have an IQ in the 200s and it would not make you any less factually and demonstrably wrong.

That said no I do not believe you:
a)You have a below average grasp of grammar, punctuation, and spelling.
b)You are unable to clearly explain or elaborate on any concept in any sort of meaningful or substantive way thus far.
c)You repeatedly (and hilariously I might add) fail at being able to format a response in a way that does not require OTHER fucking people to come in and clean it up for you in order to make it even a semblance of readable. (Frequently leaving entire posts by you ....absolutely blank due to your personal incompetence which is funny as those are the only posts where you are not provably wrong. Your own stupidity blocks the display of your stupidity. Impressive.)
d)You display a willful tendency towards the usage of logical fallacies (straw-manning seems to be a personal favorite of yours) in your arguments even after they have been explained to you and corrected. Repeatedly.
e)You seem to be physically incapable of answering the vast majority of questions put to you, and you display a tendency towards an anti-science sentiment or evidential based thinking.

You could very well have been able to bluff your way through an IQ test but here, on this forum, you have shown yourself to be magnificently below average. Laughat


(26-11-2014 09:23 AM)doniston Wrote:  By the way, I'm an 85 year old "KID"
So you have had 85 years to learn how to think and reason and you have still managed, spectacularly, to fail in the most ostentatious manner? Good to know kiddo.
It's funny cause I'm sure you thought that was a point in your favor, when really all it means is you don't have a fucking excuse for being so so so bad at this.

I'm sorry, I'm so so sorry you are close to death and can't deal with the reality that when you die your story ends for good and all. If it's any consolation...... it was a boring read anyway. Drinking Beverage
actually you masy have predicted right because you leave only one questionOne thing for sure, you certainly have a way with insults, and with all that,,only this question comes to mind :

You say you have Demonstrated that I am wrong. what was your demonstration? That childish design? or something else that I simply Can't see in your meandering insults?

and yes, I do have things in my favor, first of all, I expect to reach a hundred and will likely outlive you, further, I am going to add a second post in response with just a teenie bit of evidence of my abilities because I was waiting for this, your latest idiotic post

"I don't Debate, I Discuss" I offer my opinions, and listen to yours, I will not require proof of opinions, but I may ask for clarification or state that I reject your position and why, & if asked, I will further clarify mine --- However, I reject any requirement that I PROVE my position is accurate and proper.
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26-11-2014, 02:32 PM
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(26-11-2014 12:32 PM)doniston Wrote:  I don't know how, but In have ben visited so to speak by three persons from beyond (beyond where? I don't know,) and there are many many people who swear they have seen apparitions. me? no. but because of such a vision, I ended up with a new step father, back in the fifties.




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26-11-2014, 02:36 PM (This post was last modified: 26-11-2014 02:45 PM by doniston.)
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] Frankly I, find your offensive self-centered critique of my intelligence, and posting and writing skills, rather funny, in view of the following:

In March 1946 I was tested and scored 148 on my IQ test. In1950, I was retested and came up a few points (yes, IQs do go up as a result of brain stimulation, and experiences) since then, I have become an accomplished poet, and have written several biographical and/or philosophical articles and stories .and received awards for some of them. No. I am not going to prove it, except in a small degree by the following.: -

On 20 February, 1958 in honor of George Washington's upcoming birthday two days hence, I wrote a tongue-in cheek poem, which has since become my most famous, – placed in public domain, and sent to each President since 1958, because unfortunately it became all too prophetic.

It has been published several times, and once was even cited to me by a new aquantance who didn't know I wrote it.

“HONEST GEORGE|

Little Georgie took an axe
and gave a tree some mighty whacks
and when the tree lay on it's side,
he jumped upon his horse to ride
over hill and over dale,
because he simply “couldn't fail”
to tell his “Pop” about the deed,
and so he spurred his faithful steed.
But the horse got mad, and stopped instead.
Poor George went---sailing overhead,
and landing at his Father's feet,
(making his chagrin complete)
Said, -- Father, I can't tell a lie”
But I've made an end to “your” cherry pie.
His father looked at him and grinned,
He knew the little lad had sinned”
but thinking of “his” checkered past.
Forgave the little boy at last.
Now that was fine, “That” day and age,
the lad grew up to be a Sage,
but here and now, This Century”?
It wouldn't work, it's plain to see,
If you'd be “Chief “ before you die,
You've simply GOT to learn to LIE
D*****

so you see, I do have a little bit more on the ball than you want to believe or admit. I think about things but is appears that you just follow others, for good, bad, or indifferent. and you know sumpin' I don't care what you believe, that's your burden to bear.

"I don't Debate, I Discuss" I offer my opinions, and listen to yours, I will not require proof of opinions, but I may ask for clarification or state that I reject your position and why, & if asked, I will further clarify mine --- However, I reject any requirement that I PROVE my position is accurate and proper.
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26-11-2014, 02:40 PM
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Hah! Discussion aside, I got a kick out of the poem.

You should post it in the poetry section.

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26-11-2014, 02:43 PM
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^^ Is not even proof in a small way. If you so sharp, how come you no understand proof? Anyone can claim to be intelligent. Anyone can claim to be author of a poem. Maybe you are. Doesn't prove anything about your intelligence re anything else.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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26-11-2014, 02:48 PM
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(26-11-2014 02:32 PM)TheGulegon Wrote:  
(26-11-2014 12:32 PM)doniston Wrote:  I don't know how, but In have ben visited so to speak by three persons from beyond (beyond where? I don't know,) and there are many many people who swear they have seen apparitions. me? no. but because of such a vision, I ended up with a new step father, back in the fifties.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4Dc-J_mD7c

Given that it was 3 ghosts I was thinking he must be Ebeneezer...




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26-11-2014, 02:49 PM
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(26-11-2014 02:43 PM)morondog Wrote:  ^^ Is not even proof in a small way. If you so sharp, how come you no understand proof? Anyone can claim to be intelligent. Anyone can claim to be author of a poem. Maybe you are. Doesn't prove anything about your intelligence re anything else.
and so, it is obvious that nothing is sufficient proof to you, So be it.

"I don't Debate, I Discuss" I offer my opinions, and listen to yours, I will not require proof of opinions, but I may ask for clarification or state that I reject your position and why, & if asked, I will further clarify mine --- However, I reject any requirement that I PROVE my position is accurate and proper.
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26-11-2014, 02:55 PM
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(26-11-2014 02:48 PM)unfogged Wrote:  
(26-11-2014 02:32 PM)TheGulegon Wrote:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4Dc-J_mD7c

Given that it was 3 ghosts I was thinking he must be Ebeneezer...



Nope, they weren't ghosts, it doesn't work that way, the other person "my step father" saw what might be called a ghost.

"I don't Debate, I Discuss" I offer my opinions, and listen to yours, I will not require proof of opinions, but I may ask for clarification or state that I reject your position and why, & if asked, I will further clarify mine --- However, I reject any requirement that I PROVE my position is accurate and proper.
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26-11-2014, 02:57 PM
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http://discovermagazine.com/2008/sep/01-...t-mistakes

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26-11-2014, 02:59 PM
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(26-11-2014 02:49 PM)doniston Wrote:  
(26-11-2014 02:43 PM)morondog Wrote:  ^^ Is not even proof in a small way. If you so sharp, how come you no understand proof? Anyone can claim to be intelligent. Anyone can claim to be author of a poem. Maybe you are. Doesn't prove anything about your intelligence re anything else.
and so, it is obvious that nothing is sufficient proof to you, So be it.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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