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23-03-2011, 01:38 PM
 
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I wasn't defending him I was pointing out that he's a hypocrite. Maybe my sarcasm button was accidentily off LOL.
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23-03-2011, 05:13 PM
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I agree with sosa.
The air strikes have done their job.
The rebels need help from ground sources.
And honestly I prefer the UN over NATO.What are those people doing over there ?! Put together an international task-force goddammit.

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23-03-2011, 08:24 PM
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Air strikes have done what job? Snipers actually kill targets. Carpet bombing just wracks up casualties. As I said in another post all the air strikes are doing is making sure that Libya will not have a chance to rebuild on it's own after this is over. They will be so decimated by the collateral damage along with at least 3 times the death toll of just Libyans fighting. After sufficiently bombed the US will go in and start randomly shooting people and eventually they will produce the guy alive. They could actually help Libya though by sending in assassins to just infiltrate.

I know people who had the US assassin job in the past, they do their job great once they're asked to. Killing a leader though doesn't make the US any money.

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23-03-2011, 08:56 PM
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Gaglamesh731: I think you misunderstood my post. I was actually claiming the opposite, airstrikes have NOT done they're job.

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24-03-2011, 02:47 PM
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(23-03-2011 08:56 PM)sosa Wrote:  Gaglamesh731: I think you misunderstood my post. I was actually claiming the opposite, airstrikes have NOT done they're job.

Oh , sorry , I thought you meant that they did all they could do.
Well, I'm not sure to be honest , I mean without a communication network and strategic supplies : ammo/fuel , Gaddafi forces can be taken on more easily.Still , as Lilith pointed out such attacks tend to cause a lot of collateral damage - i.e dead civilians.
I'm not sure if things will work out or not in Libya but at least there's a local force fighting a dictator that will take over afterwards.Although the US didn't pronounce itself , France held talks with the government in exile of Libya so the situation may be a bit more stable.
We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

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24-03-2011, 03:51 PM
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They're currently only hitting targeted sites, military and otherwise tactical. Civilian targets should be being kept to a minimum, but nothing is perfect. However, since Quadaffi had promised large-scale slaughter, I can understand the thinking that some collateral is worth the risk.
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25-03-2011, 02:43 AM
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Grrr. Bloody Gaddafi. I hope they kill him, and every soldier and senior official who sides with him.

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25-03-2011, 07:15 AM
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(25-03-2011 02:43 AM)daemonowner Wrote:  Grrr. Bloody Gaddafi. I hope they kill him, and every soldier and senior official who sides with him.

Depends from individual to individual - we can't go all out and encourage a massacre.
I mean some soldiers may have done nothing more than guard a road the entire road while others may have massacred hundreds.Senior officials who support Gaddafi's regime should be punished but as far as soldiers go - unless they intentionally harmed civilians , I don't think they exactly deserve the death penalty.

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25-03-2011, 01:34 PM (This post was last modified: 25-03-2011 01:39 PM by sosa.)
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Instead of bombing dictators, lets stop selling them bombs in the first place
In Libya, military intervention is consistent with economic and strategic interests. Economically, Libya has significant oil reserves. Already, British and Italian oil companies have a stake in the country, and protecting those investments is an important objective. Before this, France, a former colonial power in North Africa, had been frozen out of Libya's oil sector. When some leaders of Libya's resistance went on a tour of European capitals looking for support, France was the first to pledge its backing, with the aim of getting a cut of the action after Qaddafi goes.

Strategically, Libya has become the central question in the wave of revolts in North Africa and the Middle East that has already swept two U.S.-backed dictators from power.

In Tunisia and Egypt, massive mobilizations were successful in toppling the dictators. Now, the combined effect of Qaddafi's ruthless assault on rebel forces, similar brutality by the autocratic regimes of Saudi Arabia and Bahrain (which the U.S. has barely criticized, much less gone to war against), and direct military intervention have allowed the U.S. an opportunity to try to get some grip on developments.

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25-03-2011, 09:34 PM
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I think the US getting directly involved was a mistake. A huge one. The reality is that the minute we took a side, we committed ourselves to the removal of Kaddafi. If this ends and he's in power, the western powers have a serious, serious problem. His regime was behind multiple terrorist attacks for years, including the Lockerbie Bombing, and if he survives this there is absolutely no telling what he will do. It's great that Obama says we're handing this over to NATO, the Arab league is going to take some of it over, yada yada yada, but that's all BS. If NATO and the Arab League don't finish the job, does anyone believe at this point that the US can shrug its shoulders and let this loon remain in power? I think there is zero chance of that.

The odds of this ending well for the west, and the US in particular, is not good. There is almost no way to avoid getting our hands dirty here.

what a nightmare. Obama is so concerned that people will think he doesn't have balls, or something, that he leaps into these things without thinking them through. When Newt Gingrich starts making sense as he's ripping your actions apart then you know you've really screwed up.

Oh, and this also reaffirms my opinion that Hilary Clinton and her zero amount of diplomatic experience prior to this job was a moronic choice for Secretary of State.

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