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18-01-2017, 07:09 PM
RE: Obama Frees Chelsea Manning
"Which our enemies were able to get their hands on"?

What the fuck??

It was made public by being released to media. Of course everyone saw it.

Made public--as it should have been from the beginning. The military establishment covered it up by classifying it. That's the entire point. Manning worked for the people who were doing the covering-up.

That is not the same thing as intentionally providing aid and comfort to our enemies, as required for actual Espionage. The use of the Espionage Act has been greatly expanded in recent years, under the post-9/11 worldview, and seems to be used in large part to silence those who would report things to the press rather than "allowable channels", so to speak. (The "allowable channels" in quotes because they quickly become part of the suppression machine.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage_...st_century

Note that Manning's sentence exceeded BY DECADES the sentence of people recently convicted of literally spying for enemies of the United States, indicating that the new intent is to silence those who would try to circumvent The System™ and expose US war crimes.

Again, that's why I'm amazed Conservatives are in defense of the government, on this. It's a perfect example of creeping government power and control over constitutionally-sacred things. You should all be screaming your heads off!

But when it comes to protecting things martial, you say "It's the law, man!", totally ignoring the creeping changes in that law, the new ways in which it is being used, and the dangerous precedents being set.

If this was something to do with the EPA, I'd wager you would be singing a different tune.

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18-01-2017, 07:11 PM
RE: Obama Frees Chelsea Manning
(18-01-2017 07:08 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  
(18-01-2017 01:56 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  I think this is an excellent decision. I want people in the military to think about the moral ramifications of what they are doing and not just following orders and then hiding behind that as an excuse.

Yeah -- great idea ........

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And I guess you'll protest everything your Commanding Officer orders -- because YOU didn't vote for him!!!!


THAT's how all military units work....

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Do us all a favor......


SIGN UP!!!!!!


They NEED geniuses like YOU!!!!!!!

Are you just in "asshole mode", and don't care about the things you say at this point?

The "we were just following orders" excuse has not been valid since the Nuremberg Trials.

All military personnel are required to check with their conscience to see whether the orders they are receiving are morally acceptable, irrespective of their narrow-definition lawfulness.

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18-01-2017, 07:18 PM
RE: Obama Frees Chelsea Manning
(18-01-2017 07:11 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  
(18-01-2017 07:08 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  Yeah -- great idea ........

.....

And I guess you'll protest everything your Commanding Officer orders -- because YOU didn't vote for him!!!!


THAT's how all military units work....

Facepalm


Do us all a favor......


SIGN UP!!!!!!


They NEED geniuses like YOU!!!!!!!

Are you just in "asshole mode", and don't care about the things you say at this point?

The "we were just following orders" excuse has not been valid since the Nuremberg Trials.

All military personnel are required to check with their conscience to see whether the orders they are receiving are morally acceptable, irrespective of their narrow-definition lawfulness.

And once you decide it's OK for any fucking E-2 to go to the press, with anything they don't agree with --- you've got the operational security of a unit with cheerleaders and a publicist........

.....

If you don't agree with shit -- there's ways to go up the chain of command with that information.

When you sign up (and it's all volunteer) --- you agree to things -- -and one of the things you agree to -- is to not blab your goddamned trap............................

Don't like that????

STAY A CIVILIAN......

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18-01-2017, 10:57 PM
RE: Obama Frees Chelsea Manning
(18-01-2017 11:55 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(18-01-2017 11:46 AM)Dom Wrote:  Because you just have to be an asshole.

I do not recognize the wants and desires of a man convicted under the espionage act. I served 10 years in the military and have no respect for the fool or this president.

And we have no respect for you, now fuck off dipshit.

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18-01-2017, 11:08 PM (This post was last modified: 19-01-2017 01:21 AM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Obama Frees Chelsea Manning
(18-01-2017 07:18 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  And once you decide it's OK for any fucking E-2 to go to the press, with anything they don't agree with --- you've got the operational security of a unit with cheerleaders and a publicist........

.....

If you don't agree with shit -- there's ways to go up the chain of command with that information.

When you sign up (and it's all volunteer) --- you agree to things -- -and one of the things you agree to -- is to not blab your goddamned trap............................

Don't like that????

STAY A CIVILIAN......

Flip Side - If those in power know they can abuse it because nobody says anything, that enables abuse. Accountability means nothing if it's foxes guarding the hen house.

So yeah, if someone gets the bright idea to use our unilateral drone program to kill American citizens without due process, I want to know about it. Think the military wants us to know about their violation of citizen's right to a trial in favor of executing them with a flying murder-bot? Hell no, and telling your CO (or their CO, or their CO's CO) means fuck all when this shit is signed off by the highest powers.

When this shit goes up to the Joint Chiefs, the Cabinet, and the President; who the fuck can hold them accountable but the public?

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18-01-2017, 11:36 PM
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(18-01-2017 10:57 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(18-01-2017 11:55 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  I do not recognize the wants and desires of a man convicted under the espionage act. I served 10 years in the military and have no respect for the fool or this president.

And we have no respect for you, now fuck off dipshit.

Cool story.

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18-01-2017, 11:43 PM
RE: Obama Frees Chelsea Manning
(18-01-2017 06:08 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Only in Obama's America can you arrive to prison as a male convicted of violating the espionage act and leave as a free woman.

Actually it's not going to be happening for a few weeks.
It will be in your Orange Fool's America.
It's gonna happen in America. Too bad for you.

You really can't stand that a black guy is FAR FAR FAR more successful than you could ever dream of being.

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19-01-2017, 12:41 AM
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(18-01-2017 11:08 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  When this shit goes up to the Joint Chiefs, the Cabinet, and the President; who the fuck can hold them accountable but the public?

There's the crux of it. This shit needs to be public. It's good that way. If US wants to claim to be some kind of bastion of freedom then turning the lens against themselves - full transparency - is what it's all about. But I can see why the military and govt in general wouldn't be keen. If you have got up to evil shit then knowing that people can see you and point it out, you'd definitely try to shut that shit down.

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19-01-2017, 01:22 AM
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(18-01-2017 11:36 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Cool story.

I am your master now.

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19-01-2017, 02:08 AM
RE: Obama Frees Chelsea Manning
Judging by little coverage that this case got in Polish press I applaud Obama decision. No reason for military to be not accountable for war crimes, so person which make public aware of this shouldn't be punished.

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