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27-03-2015, 03:48 AM (This post was last modified: 27-03-2015 03:57 AM by Deltabravo.)
Obama gets it wrong on Keystone pipeline project.
It's not that I don't like Obama but I can't figure out US policy when it comes to shooting themselves in the foot.

Obama nixed the Keystone pipeline project for who knows what reason. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/05/us/sen....html?_r=0 The oil is going to be shipped somewhere and there is a free trade agreement between the US and Canada and the US is a big and close market. The oil is from tar sands which are expensive to develop and US oil companies have poured billions into the projects since the 1960s to help the US get out from under OPEC.

So, what is the philosophical underpinning of all this?

Canada has an excellent world reputation for environmental issues ranked 12th in the world for environment in 2010. https://nationranking.files.wordpress.co...kings1.png

The oil industry is headquartered in Canada in Calgary which has the highest rating in education in any English speaking country in the world: "Alberta now has the best-performing state schools of any English speaking regions." http://www.theguardian.com/education/201...dian-model Its is also the cleanest city in the world: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/05/18/...99545.html

But is it a good thing to promote Canada? Is it pro-American? Well, the present Prime Minister's campaign manager and mentor is Tom Flanagan who has his degrees from Duke and Notre Dame and fashioned the Canadian Conservative Party: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Flanaga...ientist%29
And he did this from his home in Calgary. But, is that enough? Ok, so then there is Ken Taylor, the Canadian Ambassador who got the US embassy hostages out of Tehran, also born and raised in, yes, Calgary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_D._Taylor

So, who is Obama cozying up to in all this while he quietly screws over the Canadian economy? Yes, the Saudis: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worl...-have-met/

And what are they famous for?
The last king, who died this year, had four of his daughters locked up for 13 years.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worl...rincesses/


It's really hard to understand sometimes what kind of ethics are involved in the formulation of American foreign policy or whether US governments have any idea at all what is going on in any foreign country.

Now we have a popular uprising in Yemen against a "transitional" government. Yeah, transitioning from the US installed dictator Salih towards a US and Saudi supporting Sunni government which, like all the other tin-pot women-hating dictatorships around the Arabian Gulf, will continue to suppress human rights and free speech while funneling money into the hands of the ruling Sunni Elite. Yemen under Salih was described as a "kleptocracy" ie., a governent where the overriding principle is government theft.

"Yemen's President Abdullah Salih, at the helm for more than 30 years, thanks to a little oil wealth and a talent for co-opting, flattering, reconciling – a style of rule he describes as "dancing on the heads of the snakes" – presides over what academic Robert Burrowes has dubbed a "kleptocracy, a government of, by and for the thieves". http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree...udi-arabia


It's no wonder the rest of the world looks on at American foreign policy in complete amazement and disbelief. Here the US is in a position to completely disengage from the oil based politics of the Middle East and stop supporting bigamist beheading dictators by encouraging the development of North American energy supplies from a proven ally and what does Obama do but sets the whole thing back while cozying up to the Saudis and supporting the bombing of subjugated peoples in places most Americans have never heard of.

Alberta, by the way, has as much available oil as Saudi or Venezuela but the total Alberta reserves are 10 times those of Saudi and could supply the US for the next 100 years with present day recovery methods.

Maybe Obama thinks the US should stay on the side of the "nice" Sunni Muslims against the Shia. Here's what's behind that feud:


Today when the Mullahs and Ayatollahs rule Iran, we might tend to think that they have always been characteristic of Iran. Not many know that Iran was the first nation that waged a short but bloodied campaign of battles with the Jihadi hounds that were unleashed on an unsuspecting world by Mohammed...How Islam changed the rules of warfare making the entire civilian population of a defeated adversary, into a victim of tyranny

The Muslim Arabs hounds who set their eyes on Persia (and the rest of the world) wanted not just to conquer land and impose new administrators and taxes, but they wanted to impose a creed on the Persians and make them as bloodthirsty in turn, to attack, other parts of the world. Those who fell victim to the swords of the Jihadis could only save their lives by becoming Muslims, and in turn themselves become bloodthirsty.
The Muslim Arabs hounds who set their eyes on Persia (and the rest of the world) wanted not just to conquer land and impose new administrators and taxes, but they wanted to impose a creed on the Persians and make them as bloodthirsty in turn, to attack, other parts of the world.

Islam was, and still is, a curse on humankind from the word go. At the pain of death, Islam spread like wildfire into Persia, making the Persians also into bloodthirsty wolves like the Muslim Arabs. It was the Persians who a hundred years later were to take this bloodthirsty creed to the Turks and the Turks in turn a few hundred years after that were to attack Byzantine and the Balkans.

Today the Persians (Iranians) have faint memories of their pre-Islamic past. The glories of Cyrus and Darius, of Pasargade, Persepolis, Ctesiphon, of Zarathushtra, and the Shah-Nameh. The student community is becoming increasingly aware of their pre-Islamic past mainly through the websites on the Internet, that tell the true story of Iran. And this adds fuel to the restlessness of the young among the Iranian population.

Today, they must realize that the twilight of the Mullahs is the last twilight before the dawn of the post-Islamic Iran. Iranians, need to not only overthrow the Mullah regime, but also discard Islam and return to their pre-Islamic Zoroastrian roots. Here we shall trace the struggle waged by Iran (Persia) against the Arab Hordes who forcibly imposed Islam on the defeated Persians at the pain of death and torture." http://www.historyofjihad.org/persia.html


So, that's the choice. Continue to shape US policy around this kind of history or throw their lot in with Canadians and leave the Middle East to eat itself up, which is exactly what it deserves, or get into this 1400 year old quagmire and keep walking until they drown in it.
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27-03-2015, 10:55 AM
RE: Obama gets it wrong on Keystone pipeline project.
Nice made up story. Needs some zombies and dragons though.
http://www.greenpeace.org/canada/en/camp.../tarsands/
http://www.nrdc.org/energy/keystone-pipe...s-stories/
http://priceofoil.org/2015/03/02/transpo...shale-oil/
http://insideclimatenews.org/news/201208...ine-spills

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27-03-2015, 12:36 PM
RE: Obama gets it wrong on Keystone pipeline project.
Except, Bucky, the Alberta government is one of the most environmentally conscientious in the world.

http://oilsands.alberta.ca/reclamation.html

Whereas Saudi is the fifth dirtiest country in the world http://xrdarabia.org/2011/10/11/kingdom-...-country/:

TV Channel CNBC carries this story on a recent report by the World Health Organization on air quality. It finds that Saudi Arabia is fifth on the list of the most polluted countries in the world. The story notes Saudi governmental efforts to control pollution.

UAE, Saudi in most polluted nations’ list
CNBC

Emerging nations around the world are often heralded for their fast growth but we don’t often hear about the downsides of that rapid development.

The World Health Organization (WHO) recently released a report on air quality in countries around the globe, on which we based a list of the ten most polluted countries. Almost all the worst offenders are either major oil and gas producers, or emerging economies that are growing rapidly.

… 5. Saudi Arabia

Pollution level: 143 ug/m3

Saudi Arabia is the world’s largest producer and exporter of petroleum. It also the second largest oil producer and holds one-fifth of the world’s oil reserves.

Over the past few decades, as Saudi Arabia’s oil industry has boomed, environmental pollution along its 2,175-mile coastline has also grown. Oil, power, desalination and other industrial activities near the coast have led to sewage outflows, and oil and chemical plumes."


Oh, yes, and they engage in FGM there as well, and you won't find Greenpeace protesting against cruel treatment of women in Saudi cuz the Great Allies of the US would arrest them and do something awful to them like publicly chop of a hand or foot. http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.631994

But don't let that stop you from supporting dark age thugs if their oil is cheaper.
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27-03-2015, 12:41 PM
RE: Obama gets it wrong on Keystone pipeline project.
(27-03-2015 12:36 PM)Deltabravo Wrote:  Except, Bucky, the Alberta government is one of the most environmentally conscientious in the world.

http://oilsands.alberta.ca/reclamation.html

Whereas Saudi is the fifth dirtiest country in the world http://xrdarabia.org/2011/10/11/kingdom-...-country/:

TV Channel CNBC carries this story on a recent report by the World Health Organization on air quality. It finds that Saudi Arabia is fifth on the list of the most polluted countries in the world. The story notes Saudi governmental efforts to control pollution.

UAE, Saudi in most polluted nations’ list
CNBC

Emerging nations around the world are often heralded for their fast growth but we don’t often hear about the downsides of that rapid development.

The World Health Organization (WHO) recently released a report on air quality in countries around the globe, on which we based a list of the ten most polluted countries. Almost all the worst offenders are either major oil and gas producers, or emerging economies that are growing rapidly.

… 5. Saudi Arabia

Pollution level: 143 ug/m3

Saudi Arabia is the world’s largest producer and exporter of petroleum. It also the second largest oil producer and holds one-fifth of the world’s oil reserves.

Over the past few decades, as Saudi Arabia’s oil industry has boomed, environmental pollution along its 2,175-mile coastline has also grown. Oil, power, desalination and other industrial activities near the coast have led to sewage outflows, and oil and chemical plumes."


Oh, yes, and they engage in FGM there as well, and you won't find Greenpeace protesting against cruel treatment of women in Saudi cuz the Great Allies of the US would arrest them and do something awful to them like publicly chop of a hand or foot. http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.631994

But don't let that stop you from supporting dark age thugs if their oil is cheaper.

So you know absolutely nothing about this issue then good to know. The reason we do not want this here is simple, the US would face 100% of the environmental risks and get 0% of the financial rewards. The Keystone pipeline is moving a rather nasty and hard to clean kind of oil (tar sand) across a major ecosystem and aquifer for most of the country so it can be deposited onto tankers to take it to China. We would not use any of the oil would not gain any jobs and yet would be on the hook for the inevitable environmental disaster when the pipeline has any kind of problem.

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27-03-2015, 12:41 PM
RE: Obama gets it wrong on Keystone pipeline project.
I already knew you were pretty damn ignorant, OP, but I guess we can add "Canada" to the list of things regarding which that ignorance has been made manifest...

Is Alberta a nicer place than Saudi Arabia? Yes. I've also heard that bears have been known to leave their waste in the forest, from time to time - but don't quote me on that.

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27-03-2015, 12:43 PM
RE: Obama gets it wrong on Keystone pipeline project.
(27-03-2015 12:41 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(27-03-2015 12:36 PM)Deltabravo Wrote:  Except, Bucky, the Alberta government is one of the most environmentally conscientious in the world.

http://oilsands.alberta.ca/reclamation.html

Whereas Saudi is the fifth dirtiest country in the world http://xrdarabia.org/2011/10/11/kingdom-...-country/:

TV Channel CNBC carries this story on a recent report by the World Health Organization on air quality. It finds that Saudi Arabia is fifth on the list of the most polluted countries in the world. The story notes Saudi governmental efforts to control pollution.

UAE, Saudi in most polluted nations’ list
CNBC

Emerging nations around the world are often heralded for their fast growth but we don’t often hear about the downsides of that rapid development.

The World Health Organization (WHO) recently released a report on air quality in countries around the globe, on which we based a list of the ten most polluted countries. Almost all the worst offenders are either major oil and gas producers, or emerging economies that are growing rapidly.

… 5. Saudi Arabia

Pollution level: 143 ug/m3

Saudi Arabia is the world’s largest producer and exporter of petroleum. It also the second largest oil producer and holds one-fifth of the world’s oil reserves.

Over the past few decades, as Saudi Arabia’s oil industry has boomed, environmental pollution along its 2,175-mile coastline has also grown. Oil, power, desalination and other industrial activities near the coast have led to sewage outflows, and oil and chemical plumes."


Oh, yes, and they engage in FGM there as well, and you won't find Greenpeace protesting against cruel treatment of women in Saudi cuz the Great Allies of the US would arrest them and do something awful to them like publicly chop of a hand or foot. http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.631994

But don't let that stop you from supporting dark age thugs if their oil is cheaper.

So you know absolutely nothing about this issue then good to know. The reason we do not want this here is simple, the US would face 100% of the environmental risks and get 0% of the financial rewards. The Keystone pipeline is moving a rather nasty and hard to clean kind of oil (tar sand) across a major ecosystem and aquifer for most of the country so it can be deposited onto tankers to take it to China. We would not use any of the oil would not gain any jobs and yet would be on the hook for the inevitable environmental disaster when the pipeline has any kind of problem.

Indeed. One might have thought that a slight problem with the otherwise airtight case laid out in deltabravo's bizarre screed:
the Keystone pipeline is not for American consumption.

I mean, that's just, kinda, a little bit relevant, no?

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27-03-2015, 02:19 PM
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Quote:Except, Bucky, the Alberta government is one of the most environmentally conscientious in the world.

Yeah....they outsource their pollution.

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27-03-2015, 03:21 PM
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But Alberta and Saudi both have the letter "a" in their names. Surely THAT must mean something to db.

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28-03-2015, 08:11 AM
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(27-03-2015 03:21 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  But Alberta and Saudi both have the letter "a" in their names. Surely THAT must mean something to db.

Alberta and Arabia both begin and end with the letter 'a'. Coincidence? Consider

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28-03-2015, 10:13 AM
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No. It must be Obama's fault.

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