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07-06-2016, 04:43 PM
RE: Obama on guns. Viral vid
(07-06-2016 12:36 PM)yakherder Wrote:  Most people would rather die from a bullet than a blade. Just trying my best to be humane.

I also think using a gun is more appropriate then using a blade. One should not mix business with pleasure.

Joke.

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07-06-2016, 04:45 PM
RE: Obama on guns. Viral vid
(07-06-2016 04:43 PM)Slowminded Wrote:  
(07-06-2016 12:36 PM)yakherder Wrote:  Most people would rather die from a bullet than a blade. Just trying my best to be humane.

I also think using a gun is more appropriate then using a blade. One should not mix business with pleasure.

Joke.

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MS-13 and the drug cartels have found a way to mix them.

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07-06-2016, 04:53 PM
RE: Obama on guns. Viral vid
(07-06-2016 04:45 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(07-06-2016 04:43 PM)Slowminded Wrote:  I also think using a gun is more appropriate then using a blade. One should not mix business with pleasure.

Joke.

Sort of.

Dodgy

MS-13 and the drug cartels have found a way to mix them.

Just one more proof that small businesses can't compete with big corporations.

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07-06-2016, 04:57 PM
RE: Obama on guns. Viral vid
(07-06-2016 10:55 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  There's a whole lot of places in the world, that you're far more likely to be murdered -- and you can't own any guns there......

Are you speaking about civilised countries or places like Rwanda? Look at the places above America. Ohmy

Statistics.

UNODC murder rates. Most recent year
Country (or dependent territory,
subnational area, etc.) Rate Count Region Subregion Year
listed Notes

Burundi 4.0 436 Africa Eastern Africa 2014
Comoros 8.0 57 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Djibouti 7.0 60 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Eritrea 7.8 474 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Ethiopia 8.1 7,334 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Kenya 5.9 2,649 Africa Eastern Africa 2014
Madagascar 0.6 130 Africa Eastern Africa 2010
Malawi 1.8 279 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Mauritius 2.7 34 Africa Eastern Africa 2011
Mayotte (France) 6.0 12 Africa Eastern Africa 2009
Mozambique 3.7 875 Africa Eastern Africa 2010
Réunion (France) 1.8 15 Africa Eastern Africa 2009
Rwanda 4.6 500 Africa Eastern Africa 2010
Seychelles 2.2 2 Africa Eastern Africa 2010
Somalia 5.6 560 Africa Eastern Africa 2012 notes
South Sudan 14.4 1,504 Africa Eastern Africa 2012 notes
Uganda 11.8 4,473 Africa Eastern Africa 2014
Tanzania 8.2 3,831 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Zambia 6.2 814 Africa Eastern Africa 2010
Zimbabwe 7.5 981 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Angola 10.8 2,232 Africa Middle Africa 2012
Cameroon 2.8 595 Africa Middle Africa 2012
Central African Republic 13.6 610 Africa Middle Africa 2012 notes
Chad 9.4 1,168 Africa Middle Africa 2012
Congo 10.5 450 Africa Middle Africa 2012
Democratic Republic of the Congo 13.5 8,755 Africa Middle Africa 2012
Equatorial Guinea 3.6 26 Africa Middle Africa 2012
Gabon 9.4 152 Africa Middle Africa 2012
Sao Tome and Principe 3.3 6 Africa Middle Africa 2011
Algeria 1.5 577 Africa Northern Africa 2014
Egypt 3.4 2,703 Africa Northern Africa 2011
Libya 2.5 157 Africa Northern Africa 2012 notes
Morocco 1.0 355 Africa Northern Africa 2013
Sudan 6.5 2,435 Africa Northern Africa 2012 notes
Tunisia 3.1 332 Africa Northern Africa 2012
Botswana 15.4 303 Africa Southern Africa 2010
Lesotho 38.0 764 Africa Southern Africa 2010
Namibia 17.2 388 Africa Southern Africa 2012
South Africa 33.0 17,805 Africa Southern Africa 2014
Swaziland 17.4 208 Africa Southern Africa 2010
Benin 6.3 633 Africa Western Africa 2012
Burkina Faso 0.7 117 Africa Western Africa 2012
Cape Verde 10.6 54 Africa Western Africa 2013
Ivory Coast 12.4 2,412 Africa Western Africa 2012
Gambia 9.6 169 Africa Western Africa 2012
Ghana 1.7 423 Africa Western Africa 2011
Guinea 9.0 1,008 Africa Western Africa 2012
Guinea-Bissau 10.3 169 Africa Western Africa 2012
Liberia 3.3 135 Africa Western Africa 2012
Mali 11.2 1,640 Africa Western Africa 2012
Mauritania 11.4 430 Africa Western Africa 2012
Niger 4.7 788 Africa Western Africa 2012
Nigeria 10.3 17,059 Africa Western Africa 2012
Senegal 8.1 1,087 Africa Western Africa 2012
Sierra Leone 1.8 113 Africa Western Africa 2012
Togo 9.4 618 Africa Western Africa 2012
Anguilla (UK) 7.5 1 Americas Caribbean 2012
Antigua and Barbuda 11.2 10 Americas Caribbean 2012
Aruba (Netherlands) 3.9 4 Americas Caribbean 2010
Bahamas 29.8 111 Americas Caribbean 2012
Barbados 8.8 25 Americas Caribbean 2014
British Virgin Islands (UK) 8.4 2 Americas Caribbean 2006
Cayman Islands (UK) 14.7 8 Americas Caribbean 2009
Cuba 4.2 477 Americas Caribbean 2012
Dominica 21.1 15 Americas Caribbean 2010
Dominican Republic 17.4 1,810 Americas Caribbean 2014
Grenada 7.5 8 Americas Caribbean 2014
Guadeloupe (France) 7.9 36 Americas Caribbean 2009
Haiti 10.2 1,033 Americas Caribbean 2012
Jamaica 36.1 1,005 Americas Caribbean 2012
Martinique (France) 2.7 11 Americas Caribbean 2009
Montserrat (UK) 20.4 1 Americas Caribbean 2008
Puerto Rico (US) 18.5 681 Americas Caribbean 2014
Saint Kitts and Nevis 33.6 18 Americas Caribbean 2012
Saint Lucia 21.6 39 Americas Caribbean 2012
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 25.6 28 Americas Caribbean 2012
Trinidad and Tobago 25.9 351 Americas Caribbean 2012
Turks and Caicos Islands (UK) 6.6 2 Americas Caribbean 2009
United States Virgin Islands (US) 52.6 56 Americas Caribbean 2010
Belize 34.4 121 Americas Central America 2014
Costa Rica 10.0 477 Americas Central America 2014
El Salvador 64.2 3,921 Americas Central America 2014
Guatemala 31.2 4,998 Americas Central America 2014
Honduras 84.6 5,936 Americas Central America 2014
Mexico 15.7 19,669 Americas Central America 2013 notes
Nicaragua 11.3 675 Americas Central America 2012
Panama 17.2 663 Americas Central America 2013
Bermuda (UK) 7.7 5 Americas Northern America 2012
Canada 1.4 505 Americas Northern America 2013
Saint Pierre and Miquelon (France) 16.5 1 Americas Northern America 2009
United States 3.8 12,253 Americas Northern America 2013
Argentina 7.6 3,269 Americas South America 2014
Bolivia 12.1 1,270 Americas South America 2012
Brazil 24.6 50,674 Americas South America 2014
Chile 3.6 638 Americas South America 2014
Colombia 27.9 13,343 Americas South America 2014 notes
Ecuador 8.2 1,309 Americas South America 2014
French Guiana (France) 13.3 30 Americas South America 2009
Guyana 17.0 135 Americas South America 2012
Paraguay 8.8 578 Americas South America 2014
Peru 6.7 2,076 Americas South America 2014
Suriname 6.1 33 Americas South America 2012
Uruguay 7.8 267 Americas South America 2014
Venezuela 62.0 19,030 Americas South America 2014
Kazakhstan 7.8 1,263 Asia Central Asia 2012
Kyrgyzstan 3.71 216 Asia Central Asia 2014
Tajikistan 1.6 126 Asia Central Asia 2011
Turkmenistan 12.8 660 Asia Central Asia 2012
Uzbekistan 3.7 1,060 Asia Central Asia 2012
China 0.8 11,286 Asia Eastern Asia 2012
Hong Kong 0.9 62 Asia Eastern Asia 2013
Macao 1.0 6 Asia Eastern Asia 2014
North Korea 5.2 1,293 Asia Eastern Asia 2012
Japan 0.3 395 Asia Eastern Asia 2011
Mongolia 7.5 218 Asia Eastern Asia 2014
South Korea 0.7 392 Asia Eastern Asia 2014
Taiwan 3.0 686 Asia Eastern Asia 2011
Brunei 2.0 8 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2012
Cambodia 6.5 964 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2012
Indonesia 0.5 1,277 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2014
Laos 5.9 392 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2012
Malaysia 2.3 652 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2012
Myanmar 15.2 8,044 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2012
Philippines 9.9 9,797 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2014
Singapore 0.3 14 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2014
Thailand 3.9 2,649 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2014
Timor-Leste 3.6 39 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2010
Vietnam 3.3 3,037 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2012
Afghanistan 6.5 1,948 Asia Southern Asia 2012 notes
Bangladesh 2.8 4,514 Asia Southern Asia 2014
Bhutan 2.7 21 Asia Southern Asia 2014
India 3.2 41,623 Asia Southern Asia 2014
Iran 3.9 3,126 Asia Southern Asia 2012
Maldives 3.9 13 Asia Southern Asia 2012
Nepal 2.9 786 Asia Southern Asia 2011
Pakistan 7.7 13,846 Asia Southern Asia 2012 notes
Sri Lanka 3.4 707 Asia Southern Asia 2011
Armenia 1.8 54 Asia Western Asia 2012
Azerbaijan 2.5 236 Asia Western Asia 2014
Bahrain 0.5 7 Asia Western Asia 2011
Cyprus 0.1 11 Asia Western Asia 2014
Georgia 2.7 108 Asia Western Asia 2014
Iraq 8.0 2,628 Asia Western Asia 2012 notes
Israel 1.8 134 Asia Western Asia 2012 notes
Jordan 2.0 133 Asia Western Asia 2011
Kuwait 0.4 12 Asia Western Asia 2012
Lebanon 4.3 240 Asia Western Asia 2010
Palestine 7.4 312 Asia Western Asia 2012 notes
Oman 1.1 34 Asia Western Asia 2011
Qatar 1.1 23 Asia Western Asia 2012
Saudi Arabia 0.8 234 Asia Western Asia 2012
Syria 2.2 463 Asia Western Asia 2010
Turkey 2.6 1,866 Asia Western Asia 2011
United Arab Emirates 0.7 61 Asia Western Asia 2014
Yemen 4.8 1,099 Asia Western Asia 2010
Belarus 3.6 340 Europe Eastern Europe 2014
Bulgaria 1.6 116 Europe Eastern Europe 2014
Czech Republic 0.7 69 Europe Eastern Europe 2014
Hungary 1.5 146 Europe Eastern Europe 2014
Poland 0.7 283 Europe Eastern Europe 2014
Moldova 3.2 130 Europe Eastern Europe 2014
Romania 1.5 298 Europe Eastern Europe 2014
Russia 9.5 13,681 Europe Eastern Europe 2013
Slovakia 1.1 58 Europe Eastern Europe 2014
Ukraine 4.3 1,988 Europe Eastern Europe 2010
Denmark 1.0 58 Europe Northern Europe 2014
Estonia 3.1 41 Europe Northern Europe 2014
Finland 1.6 89 Europe Northern Europe 2014
Greenland (Denmark) 19.4 11 Americas Northern America 2009
Iceland 0.3 1 Europe Northern Europe 2013
Ireland, Republic of 1.1 52 Europe Northern Europe 2014
Latvia 3.9 77 Europe Northern Europe 2014
Lithuania 5.5 159 Europe Northern Europe 2014
Norway 0.6 29 Europe Northern Europe 2014
Sweden 0.9 87 Europe Northern Europe 2014
United Kingdom 1.0 602 Europe Northern Europe 2013
Albania 4.0 117 Europe Southern Europe 2014
Andorra 0.0 0 Europe Southern Europe 2014
Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.3 50 Europe Southern Europe 2014
Croatia 0.8 36 Europe Southern Europe 2014
Greece 0.1 107 Europe Southern Europe 2014
Italy 0.8 475 Europe Southern Europe 2014
Kosovo 2.2 41 Europe Southern Europe 2013
Malta 1.4 6 Europe Southern Europe 2014
Montenegro 3.2 20 Europe Southern Europe 2014
Portugal 0.9 92 Europe Southern Europe 2014
San Marino 0.0 0 Europe Southern Europe 2011
Serbia 1.3 118 Europe Southern Europe 2014
Slovenia 0.7 15 Europe Southern Europe 2014
Spain 0.7 324 Europe Southern Europe 2014
Macedonia 1.6 33 Europe Southern Europe 2014
Austria 0.5 40 Europe Western Europe 2014
Belgium 1.8 202 Europe Western Europe 2014
France 1.2 792 Europe Western Europe 2014
Germany 0.9 716 Europe Western Europe 2014
Liechtenstein 2.7 1 Europe Western Europe 2014
Luxembourg 0.7 4 Europe Western Europe 2014
Monaco 0.0 0 Europe Western Europe 2008
Netherlands 0.7 125 Europe Western Europe 2013
Switzerland 0.5 41 Europe Western Europe 2014
Australia 1.0 238 Oceania Australasia 2014
New Zealand 0.9 41 Oceania Australasia 2014
Fiji 4.0 35 Oceania Melanesia 2012
New Caledonia (France) 3.3 8 Oceania Melanesia 2009
Papua New Guinea 10.4 713 Oceania Melanesia 2010
Solomon Islands 4.3 24 Oceania Melanesia 2012
Vanuatu 2.9 7 Oceania Melanesia 2012
Guam (US) 2.5 4 Oceania Micronesia 2011
Kiribati 8.2 8 Oceania Micronesia 2011
Micronesia 4.6 5 Oceania Micronesia 2012
Nauru 1.3 x Oceania Micronesia 2012
Palau 3.1 x Oceania Micronesia 2012
Cook Islands 3.1 x Oceania Polynesia 2012
French Polynesia (France) 0.4 1 Oceania Polynesia 2009
Niue 3.6 x Oceania Polynesia 2012
Samoa 3.6 7 Oceania Polynesia 2012
Tonga 1.0 1 Oceania Polynesia 2012
Tuvalu 4.2 x Oceania Polynesia 2012

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07-06-2016, 06:02 PM
RE: Obama on guns. Viral vid
When comparing America's murder rates to that of other First World nations, one must also consider our history of racial inequality and the "rotting out" of our urban cores under deliberate and willful neglect by the Powers that Be™ for decades, as well as the effects of the Drug War in terms of locking away minorities and turning the following generations into drug-selling, heavily-armed territorial cliques... it's the reason the murder rate in Chicago is so high.

Blaming the guns for the problems our society has created through Puritanism and White Supremacy is to miss the major issue. Considering we have effectively made "murder zones" in our inner cities (and increasingly elsewhere, as the Drug War continues to take its social and economic toll on the poor), I'd say it's amazing we don't top every list.

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07-06-2016, 11:40 PM
RE: Obama on guns. Viral vid
(07-06-2016 10:21 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(06-06-2016 08:35 PM)JDog554 Wrote:  While I agree they should be more regulated, especially for mental health. The problem is just replace guns with cars, but no one would say we have a car problem even though car crashes are one of the leading causes of death. Whenever someone crashes a car, we look at why they did it. Whether it be alcohol, medical, mechanical etc. yet when it comes to guns, it's always about the guns they used or the fact they used guns. Why they pulled the trigger usually comes after. That's the issue in my opinion. It's fine to regulate them more but also we need to look into why or else it won't be enough.

For repeat drunk drivers, a breathalyzer can be fitted to the ignition of the vehicle. Car simply won't start if they're drunk (in some states depending what they consider impaired -- they might not be drunk).

We've made cars increasingly safer with seat belts, air bags, other restraints...also how crashes occur, is studied to make cars safer.

Point:

Pickup truck drives into crowd of cyclists, killing 5 injuring 4.


(07-06-2016 02:50 PM)adey67 Wrote:  
(07-06-2016 12:51 PM)JDog554 Wrote:  No killing at all is impossible no matter where you are so there is no point in talking about that.
That's a fair comment perhaps the phrase reducing domestic killing would be a better one

Yes, I would agree with that

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08-06-2016, 05:19 AM
RE: Obama on guns. Viral vid
(07-06-2016 01:22 PM)yakherder Wrote:  
(07-06-2016 01:21 PM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  And they're waiting patiently for the "good guy" to steady up his aim? Very co-operative street criminals in your neck of the woods.

The only reason I'd personally go for a head shot is if they were wearing body armour. I don't actually care if they die humanely, that part was me joking.

The one-legged Marine that taught me to shoot said "Head shots are for cowboys and snipers." In close combat it's center of mass. I suspect that people who promote "head shots" haven't been tête-à-tête with another gunner.
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08-06-2016, 05:21 AM
RE: Obama on guns. Viral vid
(07-06-2016 04:43 PM)Slowminded Wrote:  
(07-06-2016 12:36 PM)yakherder Wrote:  Most people would rather die from a bullet than a blade. Just trying my best to be humane.

I also think using a gun is more appropriate then using a blade. One should not mix business with pleasure.

Joke.

Sort of.

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But if you miss with a knife you don't have too much chance of cutting the person behind your opponent.
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08-06-2016, 06:33 AM
RE: Obama on guns. Viral vid
(08-06-2016 05:21 AM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  
(07-06-2016 04:43 PM)Slowminded Wrote:  I also think using a gun is more appropriate then using a blade. One should not mix business with pleasure.

Joke.

Sort of.

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But if you miss with a knife you don't have too much chance of cutting the person behind your opponent.

Throwing knifes is just for the movies and exhibitions bruv.

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08-06-2016, 08:52 AM
RE: Obama on guns. Viral vid
(08-06-2016 06:33 AM)Slowminded Wrote:  
(08-06-2016 05:21 AM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  But if you miss with a knife you don't have too much chance of cutting the person behind your opponent.

Throwing knifes is just for the movies and exhibitions bruv.

If I have two knives I might throw one.
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