Obamacare, keeping the poor in poverty
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30-07-2015, 05:47 PM
RE: Obamacare, keeping the poor in poverty
(30-07-2015 05:24 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(30-07-2015 12:58 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Obamacare creates a situation where in the short term it is better to limit your income and keep the subsidy. In the long term this has a negative consequence. Upward income mobility is retarded(like BNW). This is an effect of Obamacare I am observing. Saying Obamacare incentivizes poverty is an accurate description of the facts.

The subsidies are a sliding scale. If you earn enough to reduce your subsidy, you still end up with more money in you pocket. There is no incentive to stay poor.

Would you please quit insisting on bringing facts into the matter? Christ, it's downright annoying.
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30-07-2015, 10:54 PM (This post was last modified: 30-07-2015 10:59 PM by Heywood Jahblome.)
RE: Obamacare, keeping the poor in poverty
(30-07-2015 05:47 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  
(30-07-2015 05:24 PM)Chas Wrote:  The subsidies are a sliding scale. If you earn enough to reduce your subsidy, you still end up with more money in you pocket. There is no incentive to stay poor.

Would you please quit insisting on bringing facts into the matter? Christ, it's downright annoying.

His facts are incomplete.

It is on a sliding scale until it hits the cliff.....and then it disappears completely.

Try this on an exchange. Create a fictitious household. Male 53, Female 52, child 13. Non tobacco users. The tax credit is $281.11 at a household income of $79,160. The tax credit is $0 at a household income of $79,161.

A $1 increase in annual income would cause the family to lose a $3372 annual tax credit.
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31-07-2015, 02:51 AM
RE: Obamacare, keeping the poor in poverty
(30-07-2015 10:54 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(30-07-2015 05:47 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  Would you please quit insisting on bringing facts into the matter? Christ, it's downright annoying.

His facts are incomplete.

It is on a sliding scale until it hits the cliff.....and then it disappears completely.

Try this on an exchange. Create a fictitious household. Male 53, Female 52, child 13. Non tobacco users. The tax credit is $281.11 at a household income of $79,160. The tax credit is $0 at a household income of $79,161.

A $1 increase in annual income would cause the family to lose a $3372 annual tax credit.

Is $79,160 at the poverty level? Consider

No, so this has nothing to do with your arguemnet.

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31-07-2015, 02:56 AM
RE: Obamacare, keeping the poor in poverty
(31-07-2015 02:51 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(30-07-2015 10:54 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  His facts are incomplete.

It is on a sliding scale until it hits the cliff.....and then it disappears completely.

Try this on an exchange. Create a fictitious household. Male 53, Female 52, child 13. Non tobacco users. The tax credit is $281.11 at a household income of $79,160. The tax credit is $0 at a household income of $79,161.

A $1 increase in annual income would cause the family to lose a $3372 annual tax credit.

Is $79,160 at the poverty level? Consider

No, so this has nothing to do with your arguemnet.

My friend, I have always considered to be poor. Regardless if you think he is poor or not the fact remains....Obamacare has created an incentive for my friend not to increase his income.

This is something the government shouldn't be doing.....to anyone whether they are poor or not.
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31-07-2015, 03:16 AM
RE: Obamacare, keeping the poor in poverty
(31-07-2015 02:56 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(31-07-2015 02:51 AM)Chas Wrote:  Is $79,160 at the poverty level? Consider

No, so this has nothing to do with your arguemnet.

My friend, I have always considered to be poor. Regardless if you think he is poor or not the fact remains....Obamacare has created an incentive for my friend not to increase his income.

This is something the government shouldn't be doing.....to anyone whether they are poor or not.

So now you're changing your argument from "it incentivises the poor to remain poor" to "it incentivises the rich not to get richer".

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31-07-2015, 04:46 AM
RE: Obamacare, keeping the poor in poverty
(31-07-2015 03:16 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(31-07-2015 02:56 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  My friend, I have always considered to be poor. Regardless if you think he is poor or not the fact remains....Obamacare has created an incentive for my friend not to increase his income.

This is something the government shouldn't be doing.....to anyone whether they are poor or not.

So now you're changing your argument from "it incentivises the poor to remain poor" to "it incentivises the rich not to get richer".

In my opinion the janitor is poor. Now he is purposely taking action to limit his income just to keep his Obamacare subsidy. Do I think he is smart by limiting his income? Certainly not over the long term. However many people only thing short term and Obamacare is screwing them over.
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31-07-2015, 04:57 AM
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(31-07-2015 04:46 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  In my opinion the janitor is poor.

Poor fictional janitor, limited to the top level income beyond which he won't receive a subsidy Rolleyes

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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31-07-2015, 05:01 AM
RE: Obamacare, keeping the poor in poverty
(31-07-2015 04:57 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(31-07-2015 04:46 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  In my opinion the janitor is poor.

Poor fictional janitor, limited to the top level income beyond which he won't receive a subsidy Rolleyes

I forgive you for implying that I am a liar.
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31-07-2015, 05:08 AM
RE: Obamacare, keeping the poor in poverty
(31-07-2015 05:01 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(31-07-2015 04:57 AM)morondog Wrote:  Poor fictional janitor, limited to the top level income beyond which he won't receive a subsidy Rolleyes

I forgive you for implying that I am a liar.

I forgive you for being a liar.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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31-07-2015, 05:12 AM
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(31-07-2015 05:08 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(31-07-2015 05:01 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  I forgive you for implying that I am a liar.

I forgive you for being a liar.

Thanks, but I am not lying in this instance. The Janitor is a real person.

Your claim that he isn't is just you making shit up in lieu of a cogent counter argument. Maybe your just a little upset that a janitor makes more money than you and that is clouding your thinking. However I bet if you apply yourself your life might actually go somewhere.
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