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09-04-2014, 02:40 AM
RE: Objective Morality
(09-04-2014 01:41 AM)morondog Wrote:  Computers do not currently have the ability to fit a model to evidence themselves. Even if the computer did, it would still only be the computer's best guess. As such subjective.
"Subjective is defined as "relating to the way a person experiences things in his or her own mind: based on feelings or opinions rather than facts" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subjective
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09-04-2014, 02:53 AM
RE: Objective Morality
(09-04-2014 02:16 AM)DLJ Wrote:  "I used to hold the belief that the earth was flat and stationary and 6000 years old but based on all the observational objective evidence we have, my current belief is that the earth is a globe and orbits the sun and is billions of years old."
"Subjective is defined as "relating to the way a person experiences things in his or her own mind: based on feelings or opinions rather than facts" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subjective
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09-04-2014, 02:58 AM
RE: Objective Morality
(09-04-2014 02:23 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Just out of interest, what makes you think that human life is a good thing?

Do you have a crystal ball?

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No, we think that human life is a good thing because we are hard wired by evolution to see our own life and survival as a good thing and by extension other human life too.
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09-04-2014, 03:04 AM
RE: Objective Morality
(09-04-2014 02:26 AM)Stevil Wrote:  However, if it were the case that we ran the same program, same input, same variables on Node A and got outcome X but ran it on Node B and got outcome Y then that could be deemed a subjective outcome. It would be subjective because the outcome is subject to which Node you ran the program on.
I thought subjective required a person. "Subjective is defined as "relating to the way a person experiences things in his or her own mind: based on feelings or opinions rather than facts" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subjective
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09-04-2014, 03:13 AM
RE: Objective Morality
(09-04-2014 02:40 AM)Artie Wrote:  
(09-04-2014 01:41 AM)morondog Wrote:  Computers do not currently have the ability to fit a model to evidence themselves. Even if the computer did, it would still only be the computer's best guess. As such subjective.
"Subjective is defined as "relating to the way a person experiences things in his or her own mind: based on feelings or opinions rather than facts" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subjective

(09-04-2014 02:53 AM)Artie Wrote:  
(09-04-2014 02:16 AM)DLJ Wrote:  "I used to hold the belief that the earth was flat and stationary and 6000 years old but based on all the observational objective evidence we have, my current belief is that the earth is a globe and orbits the sun and is billions of years old."
"Subjective is defined as "relating to the way a person experiences things in his or her own mind: based on feelings or opinions rather than facts" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subjective

Hey dumbass, read the whole definition... Dodgy

3a: characteristic of or belonging to reality as perceived rather than as independent of mind : phenomenal — compare objective 1b

3b: relating to or being experience or knowledge as conditioned by personal mental characteristics or states

4a: (1) : peculiar to a particular individual : personal <subjective judgments> (2) : modified or affected by personal views, experience, or background <a subjective account of the incident>

4b: arising from conditions within the brain or sense organs and not directly caused by external stimuli <subjective sensations>

4c: arising out of or identified by means of one's perception of one's own states and processes <a subjective symptom of disease> — compare objective 1c

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09-04-2014, 03:18 AM
RE: Objective Morality
(09-04-2014 03:04 AM)Artie Wrote:  
(09-04-2014 02:26 AM)Stevil Wrote:  However, if it were the case that we ran the same program, same input, same variables on Node A and got outcome X but ran it on Node B and got outcome Y then that could be deemed a subjective outcome. It would be subjective because the outcome is subject to which Node you ran the program on.
I thought subjective required a person. "Subjective is defined as "relating to the way a person experiences things in his or her own mind: based on feelings or opinions rather than facts" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subjective

Once again, read the whole definition dumbass... Dodgy


1: : of, relating to, or constituting a subject: as

1a: of, relating to, or characteristic of one that is a subject especially in lack of freedom of action or in submissiveness

2a: being or relating to a grammatical subject; especially : nominative



If the outcome is dependent on the node, and changes based on the node used, then the outcome is subject to that node rather than independent of that node. This is subjective, sense 1a. Fucktard... Facepalm

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09-04-2014, 03:42 AM
RE: Objective Morality
(09-04-2014 02:53 AM)Artie Wrote:  
(09-04-2014 02:16 AM)DLJ Wrote:  "I used to hold the belief that the earth was flat and stationary and 6000 years old but based on all the observational objective evidence we have, my current belief is that the earth is a globe and orbits the sun and is billions of years old."

"Subjective is defined as "relating to the way a person experiences things in his or her own mind: based on feelings or opinions rather than facts" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subjective

Yay! We agree.

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09-04-2014, 03:44 AM
RE: Objective Morality
(09-04-2014 03:42 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(09-04-2014 02:53 AM)Artie Wrote:  "Subjective is defined as "relating to the way a person experiences things in his or her own mind: based on feelings or opinions rather than facts" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subjective

Yay! We agree.

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We do!? What's wrong?
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09-04-2014, 03:46 AM
RE: Objective Morality
(09-04-2014 02:58 AM)Artie Wrote:  
(09-04-2014 02:23 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Just out of interest, what makes you think that human life is a good thing?

Do you have a crystal ball?

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No, we think that human life is a good thing because we are hard wired by evolution to see our own life and survival as a good thing and by extension other human life too.

Nah! I'm not convinced.

According to the speakers I was listening to at a recent cockroach conference, the consensus was that the whole humanity thing was generally a bad idea.

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09-04-2014, 03:52 AM
RE: Objective Morality
(09-04-2014 03:46 AM)DLJ Wrote:  According to the speakers I was listening to at a recent cockroach conference, the consensus was that the whole humanity thing was generally a bad idea.
Tell them to take it up with God and if He doesn't answer just tell them to be patient and they'll probably outlive humans. Wink
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