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09-04-2014, 12:20 PM
RE: Objective Morality
(09-04-2014 11:53 AM)Impulse Wrote:  And with those 2 non-responses went the benefit of the doubt that I was giving you.

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OK. See ya. Hope you at least learned a little bit about how evolution by natural selection works. Maybe a few more scenarios and you might get it.
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09-04-2014, 12:57 PM
RE: Objective Morality
(09-04-2014 11:04 AM)Artie Wrote:  
Quote:If it's simply killing the threat, then it would be moral for a criminal to kill a police officer that it felt threatened by.
No it wouldn't because it would result in a death and it would reduce the criminal's chances of well-being and survival whereas evolutionary morals evolved to ensure the survival of as many as possible. This action would be contrary to evolutionary morals.

Hmm... is it possible for something to go against evolutionary morals?

If so, why can't the criminal attack the cop in this example? After all, criminals attack cops all the time.
If not, what is it that prevents life forms from reducing their chances of well-being and survival? Why do life forms die out? Why do people commit suicide?

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09-04-2014, 01:07 PM
RE: Objective Morality
(09-04-2014 12:57 PM)guitar_nut Wrote:  Hmm... is it possible for something to go against evolutionary morals?
Criminals do. That's why they are criminals.
Quote:what is it that prevents life forms from reducing their chances of well-being and survival?
Following evolutionary morals.
Quote:Why do life forms die out?
Too many reasons to list. Environmental changes etc.
Quote:Why do people commit suicide?
Because they are ill.
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09-04-2014, 01:13 PM
RE: Objective Morality
(09-04-2014 01:07 PM)Artie Wrote:  
(09-04-2014 12:57 PM)guitar_nut Wrote:  Why do people commit suicide?
Because they are ill.

Or because they want to.

The survival urge is not mandated by evolution.

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09-04-2014, 01:19 PM
RE: Objective Morality
(09-04-2014 12:20 PM)Artie Wrote:  
(09-04-2014 11:53 AM)Impulse Wrote:  And with those 2 non-responses went the benefit of the doubt that I was giving you.

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OK. See ya. Hope you at least learned a little bit about how evolution by natural selection works. Maybe a few more scenarios and you might get it.
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Get over yourself. The reason I'm out is because you're obviously just trolling and your post here underscored that fact.

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09-04-2014, 01:44 PM
RE: Objective Morality
(09-04-2014 07:50 AM)living thing Wrote:  Hello Stevil, may I join your chat?
sure

(09-04-2014 07:50 AM)living thing Wrote:  True, each camera is not receiving exactly the same electromagnetic radiation, so the information both computers are receiving is not exactly the same, which justifies the different output. But cannot it be said that each computer is observing reality from a different perspective? By observing I simply mean extracting information from reality, in a very general sense
The computers have the same spec, same software, same hardware, if you plug them both into the same video camera then they will see the same thing, get the same input and give the same output. They will do what their programming tells them to do. They don't offer an opinion rather they simply run a set of instructions in order to process data.

I guess an analogy would be to give two capable humans a lego set with specific instructions on how to put the set together. In the end if they followed the instructions correctly they will have built the same shape. This wouldn't have been an opinion it would have merely been doing what they have been instructed to do.
If they were given some leeway and the instruction said "here is a collection of stuff, beautify it as you please" then their output would have been a subjective opinion of what they deem to be beautiful.

(09-04-2014 07:50 AM)living thing Wrote:  But I’d be reluctant to say that trees have their own opinions. Just the other day I asked one what it thought about human abortion, and it didn’t seem to give a fuck.
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09-04-2014, 02:00 PM (This post was last modified: 09-04-2014 02:12 PM by Artie.)
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09-04-2014, 02:14 PM
RE: Objective Morality
(09-04-2014 01:13 PM)DLJ Wrote:  [quote='Artie' pid='543847' dateline='1397070438']
Because they are ill.
Quote:Or because they want to.
They want to because they are ill.
Quote:The survival urge is not mandated by evolution.
We are programmed with the survival instinct by evolution. Sometimes the copying of the program from parents to offspring goes wrong. Or consistent bullying, disease or other environmental factors overrides the survival instinct.
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09-04-2014, 02:30 PM
RE: Objective Morality
(09-04-2014 01:19 PM)Impulse Wrote:  
(09-04-2014 12:20 PM)Artie Wrote:  OK. See ya. Hope you at least learned a little bit about how evolution by natural selection works. Maybe a few more scenarios and you might get it.
Facepalm Get over yourself. The reason I'm out is because you're obviously just trolling and your post here underscored that fact.
So "using reasoning to explain to you how evolution by natural selection works" is the same as trolling. OK if you say so.
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09-04-2014, 02:38 PM
RE: Objective Morality
(09-04-2014 02:14 PM)Artie Wrote:  Because they are ill.
Quote:Or because they want to.
They want to because they are ill.
Quote:The survival urge is not mandated by evolution.
We are programmed with the survival instinct by evolution. Sometimes the copying of the program from parents to offspring goes wrong. Or consistent bullying, disease or other environmental factors overrides the survival instinct.

The golden rule doesn't appear to be a rule at all. There is more death than life as well as countless examples of behaviors that go against survival. The copying of the program from parents to offspring cannot go wrong. There is no objective standard by which it can be held to. That which happens in nature is natural. To claim whether something is beneficial to humans or not, to call something 'moral,' 'sick,' or 'undesirable,' is 100% subjective.

It's like saying water freezing is 'wrong.'

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