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11-04-2014, 07:04 AM
RE: Objective Morality
(11-04-2014 05:55 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(11-04-2014 04:04 AM)morondog Wrote:  Jesus Fucking Christ on a broomstick.

Not broomstick, rollerblades.

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I'm slightly embarrassed at having lost my shit. Only slightly. &%$&$ stoopid trolls.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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11-04-2014, 07:10 AM
RE: Objective Morality
(11-04-2014 12:45 AM)Artie Wrote:  And we have religious authority figures like Jesus tell these people that if they live by the Golden Rule they will survive forever.

I was wondering when this card was going to hit the table...

If Jesus died for our sins, why is there still sin? If man was created from dust, why is there still dust? If Americans came from Europe, why are there still Europeans?
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11-04-2014, 07:56 AM
RE: Objective Morality
(11-04-2014 04:43 AM)Stevil Wrote:  If you give people the idea that morality is the basis for law then people will look to force their own brand of morality onto society.
Christians will always look to the Bible as the source of moral absolutes.
Muslims will always look to the Quran
Jews the Torah etc

Thus we have wars, death, destruction and oppression.
According to these books http://tinyurl.com/kcs4msa only 183 out of 1763 wars have been classified to involve a religious conflict. And more than 50% of those religious wars involved Islam. The US has been one of the most religious countries for the last 200 years. Do you know how many religious conflicts/wars they have started because religious people wanted to inflict their own brand of morality onto societies? None. So who caused the other 1580 wars and what brand of morality do they have?
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11-04-2014, 08:11 AM (This post was last modified: 11-04-2014 08:19 AM by Artie.)
RE: Objective Morality
(11-04-2014 06:48 AM)DLJ Wrote:  In situations where my individual behaviour engenders unacceptable risk for others (groups or individuals) it is quite conceivable that taking me out permanently would be the morally correct solution.

This could even be extended to self-murder (ignoring the obvious that "murder" is a legally defined term) whereby I might sacrifice my own life for the benefit of a group to which I belong.
And here you are describing evolutionary evolved behavior and call it morally correct. Even vervet monkeys risk their lives by yelling out and calling attention to themselves in the presence of a predator to alert the group to its presence.
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11-04-2014, 08:42 AM
RE: Objective Morality
(11-04-2014 07:56 AM)Artie Wrote:  ...
So who caused the other 1580 wars ... ?

People who believed that their god(s) were on their side?

Tongue

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11-04-2014, 08:46 AM
RE: Objective Morality
(11-04-2014 08:11 AM)Artie Wrote:  ...
And here you are describing evolutionary evolved behavior and call it morally correct. Even vervet monkeys risk their lives by yelling out and calling attention to themselves in the presence of a predator to alert the group to its presence.

Exactly my point... morally correct for that context and for that species.

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11-04-2014, 08:53 AM
RE: Objective Morality
(11-04-2014 08:42 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(11-04-2014 07:56 AM)Artie Wrote:  ...
So who caused the other 1580 wars ... ?

People who believed that their god(s) were on their side?

Tongue
Smile I would be very interested if you could explain the Russian aggression and the situation in the Ukraine seen from your point of view!
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11-04-2014, 08:55 AM
RE: Objective Morality
(11-04-2014 08:53 AM)Artie Wrote:  
(11-04-2014 08:42 AM)DLJ Wrote:  People who believed that their god(s) were on their side?

Tongue
Smile I would be very interested if you could explain the Russian aggression and the situation in the Ukraine seen from your point of view!

I'd love to oblige but I have not read a single news article about it.

Is it a war?

Huh

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11-04-2014, 09:03 AM
RE: Objective Morality
(11-04-2014 08:55 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(11-04-2014 08:53 AM)Artie Wrote:  Smile I would be very interested if you could explain the Russian aggression and the situation in the Ukraine seen from your point of view!

I'd love to oblige but I have not read a single news article about it.

Is it a war?

Huh
It may evolve into a major one very soon. I can't believe you haven't read a single news article about it! Where do you live!? I live in Norway and we keep a very close watch on what is going on there.
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11-04-2014, 09:21 AM
RE: Objective Morality
(11-04-2014 09:03 AM)Artie Wrote:  
(11-04-2014 08:55 AM)DLJ Wrote:  I'd love to oblige but I have not read a single news article about it.

Is it a war?

Huh
It may evolve into a major one very soon. I can't believe you haven't read a single news article about it! Where do you live!? I live in Norway and we keep a very close watch on what is going on there.

If I too lived in Norway, I probably would. I live in Singapore.

I read very little news (next to none). The analysis of olds, is much more interesting.

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