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13-09-2016, 02:28 PM
Objective versus Subjective
The idea of an important discovery or invention starts always as a subjective one. Then, when the highest class of a community approves it, it becomes objective to its community in the least.

In other words, an objective idea gets its birth from a subjective idea in case of discoveries and inventions.

On the other hand, most people in the world have no interest in discovering or inventing anything. Therefore, their knowledge is about objective ideas only. And the majority of them also believe, if they hear a new subjective idea, they have no right to verify/analyse it in order to determine if it could be accepted as an objective one or not.

For example, the statement above will be refused by most members here because they likely didn’t hear it yet Wink
Yes, they cannot accept a subjective idea and even discuss it before its approval by a certain high class first... a class that Kerim doesn’t belong to for sure Big Grin


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13-09-2016, 02:57 PM
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(13-09-2016 02:28 PM)KerimF Wrote:  And the majority of them also believe, if they hear a new subjective idea, they have no right to verify/analyse it in order to determine if it could be accepted as an objective one or not.
We call those people Theists.

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13-09-2016, 03:41 PM
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I am beginning to think this guy has real mental issues and probably needs professional health. Therefore i will refrain from further commenting.

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13-09-2016, 04:00 PM
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(13-09-2016 03:41 PM)Deesse23 Wrote:  I am beginning to think this guy has real mental issues and probably needs professional health. Therefore i will refrain from further commenting.

Many thanks, and I wish you will have a long happy life while you are far from where I am.
But, truth be said, I have a doubt that you are not strong enough to respect your own decisions. Hope I am wrong this time Wink

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13-09-2016, 04:10 PM
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(13-09-2016 02:57 PM)LostLocke Wrote:  
(13-09-2016 02:28 PM)KerimF Wrote:  And the majority of them also believe, if they hear a new subjective idea, they have no right to verify/analyse it in order to determine if it could be accepted as an objective one or not.
We call those people Theists.

By the way, do you know Deesse23?
I mean, do you think he might be a theist? Consider

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13-09-2016, 04:17 PM
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(13-09-2016 02:28 PM)KerimF Wrote:  The idea of an important discovery or invention starts always as a subjective one. Then, when the highest class of a community approves it, it becomes objective to its community in the least.

When someone thinks up a new idea or invention they always think, or in the very least feel, it's great idea. After words when a bunch or rich, smart people look it over and say that's a good idea, then most people will think its a great idea at least in those circles.

(13-09-2016 02:28 PM)KerimF Wrote:  In other words, an objective idea gets its birth from a subjective idea in case of discoveries and inventions.

Another way of saying this would be, Everyone will gets their ideas from someones personal discovery.

(13-09-2016 02:28 PM)KerimF Wrote:  On the other hand, most people in the world have no interest in discovering or inventing anything. Therefore, their knowledge is about objective ideas only. And the majority of them also believe, if they hear a new subjective idea, they have no right to verify/analyse it in order to determine if it could be accepted as an objective one or not.

However, most people aren't trying to discover new things. So they can only get their ideas from other people. So they just accept any idea if they hear one because they don't know any better.

(13-09-2016 02:28 PM)KerimF Wrote:  For example, the statement above will be refused by most members here because they likely didn’t hear it yet Wink
Yes, they cannot accept a subjective idea and even discuss it before its approval by a certain high class first... a class that Kerim doesn’t belong to for sure Big Grin


For example Everything I just said. People will refuse I said it because the haven't heard it yet. And the smarter more respected of the group once they read it over and give a thumbs up everyone will she what a good idea it is. But i am not smart or respected.

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13-09-2016, 05:27 PM
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(13-09-2016 04:17 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  Kerim Translated:

(13-09-2016 02:28 PM)KerimF Wrote:  The idea of an important discovery or invention starts always as a subjective one. Then, when the highest class of a community approves it, it becomes objective to its community in the least.

When someone thinks up a new idea or invention they always think, or in the very least feel, it's great idea. After words when a bunch or rich, smart people look it over and say that's a good idea, then most people will think its a great idea at least in those circles.

(13-09-2016 02:28 PM)KerimF Wrote:  In other words, an objective idea gets its birth from a subjective idea in case of discoveries and inventions.

Another way of saying this would be, Everyone will gets their ideas from someones personal discovery.

(13-09-2016 02:28 PM)KerimF Wrote:  On the other hand, most people in the world have no interest in discovering or inventing anything. Therefore, their knowledge is about objective ideas only. And the majority of them also believe, if they hear a new subjective idea, they have no right to verify/analyse it in order to determine if it could be accepted as an objective one or not.

However, most people aren't trying to discover new things. So they can only get their ideas from other people. So they just accept any idea if they hear one because they don't know any better.

(13-09-2016 02:28 PM)KerimF Wrote:  For example, the statement above will be refused by most members here because they likely didn’t hear it yet Wink
Yes, they cannot accept a subjective idea and even discuss it before its approval by a certain high class first... a class that Kerim doesn’t belong to for sure Big Grin


For example Everything I just said. People will refuse I said it because the haven't heard it yet. And the smarter more respected of the group once they read it over and give a thumbs up everyone will she what a good idea it is. But i am not smart or respected.

A brief summery

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Thank you... At least you wrote things using you own words which is rare to happen on these days Thumbsup

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Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
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14-09-2016, 08:07 AM
RE: Objective versus Subjective
Kerim,

As I understand it:

Objective - relating to the object.

Subjective - relating to the subject.

I'm not sure that it would be possible to discuss a purely 'subjective' idea. If two or more persons can agree on the terms of discussion, then this IMHO would be relating the object (the subject of discussion) and not the subject (the person coming up with the idea). Of course the subject of discussion may well be the person coming up with idea, in which case the discussion would be an objective discussion of the subject.

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14-09-2016, 08:37 AM
RE: Objective versus Subjective
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Subjective or objective?

I'll wait.

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14-09-2016, 08:45 AM
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(14-09-2016 08:37 AM)kim Wrote:  Blue
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Subjective or objective?

I'll wait.

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Abjective adjectives

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