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23-05-2012, 06:30 PM
Occupy the Vatican
https://www.facebook.com/occupythevatican
Found a site on FB that looks interesting. Can't really tell who is organizing it or from where.
Anyone know more?

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23-05-2012, 07:52 PM
RE: Occupy the Vatican
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...lic-Church

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23-05-2012, 08:01 PM
RE: Occupy the Vatican
Well done Bucky. I think the Vatican must coat their robes in Teflon - waiting for something to really stick.

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23-05-2012, 09:54 PM
RE: Occupy the Vatican
(23-05-2012 06:30 PM)Debzilla Wrote:  https://www.facebook.com/occupythevatican
Found a site on FB that looks interesting. Can't really tell who is organizing it or from where.
Anyone know more?
No, but I'll treat it as an Anonymous initiative. I like it.

Now if CNN and the BBC would dedicate an item or two to this battlecry we could enjoy watching the panic rise around St. Peter's Square!
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23-05-2012, 09:56 PM (This post was last modified: 23-05-2012 10:03 PM by TheArcticSage.)
RE: Occupy the Vatican
Sounds like it would be fun, though I think if I went to Rome the Vatican would be the last of places to visit:
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23-05-2012, 10:07 PM (This post was last modified: 23-05-2012 10:11 PM by Scarlet Pimpernel.)
RE: Occupy the Vatican
It's not a new initiative. I'm guessing it started around 7 months ago, in Vancouver.

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24-05-2012, 07:24 AM
RE: Occupy the Vatican
I see only one problem with trying to arrest people in the Vatican. It's not just an organisation, it's a sovereign city-state.

I went to the Vatican in 2009. I walked down from the metro and I was kind of unimpressed. It didn't look like much. I'd never really seen photos of it but aside from the Swiss Guard I saw, it seemed pretty tame.

Then I stepped into St. Peter's Square. Holy fuck! It's immense. I was literally shocked by it's enormity. I looked at the main building with Jesus an the Apostles looking down at the square and instantly was like, "Oh that's why this is a powerful organisation with global reach." Like any question of their power just evaporated. It was a pretty... humbling I guess... experience.

Then I saw the Sistine Chapel. Pretty underwhelming. I mean, in the hour and a half it takes to walk from the gate, through the halls you see some sick shit (they're lined with countless priceless works of art, like to the point where
you're eventually like, Ok fuck, I get it, another chamber of priceless
art, whooptie fuck), but that famous Michelangelo of God reaching for Adam kinda looks like a postage stamp from the floor. And there are Vatican people "shhhh"ing everyone every 90 seconds lol.

I gotta admit, I don't hold much hope for this movement simply because it's not a resistance movement but an attack from without. If it was organised by Catholics that'd be something else entirely, but all Catholics have to do is entrench themselves and they instantly defeat this movement. It reminds me, in terms of being an attack from without, of the attempts to undermine apartheid in South Africa. The difference is that states stopped doing business with South Africa so there was a real pressure on the government both from within and without. This movement has neither... for the moment anyway. Maybe it'll take off.

Yeah, the Catholic Church really has to get rid of the whole celibacy thing, but holy fuck they've painted themselves into a corner. A fantastic movie about it based on a 19th century Spanish novel is "The Crime of Padre Amaro". Great film. Gael Garcia Bernal is spectacular, as always.

As far as the birth control in Africa thing... I'm an African. I don't think the Catholic Church should stop meddling in the affairs of Africa, I think EVERYONE should get the fuck out. The continent has been raped without cessation for hundreds of years. It's time for the west to pack up and go home and let Africans clean up their mess.

And as far as the Vatican bank goes, I'm shocked! Shocked! A bank engaging in criminal activity? That's unheard of! Think of the children!

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24-05-2012, 08:07 AM (This post was last modified: 24-05-2012 08:27 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Occupy the Vatican
(24-05-2012 07:24 AM)Ghost Wrote:  Then I stepped into St. Peter's Square. Holy fuck! It's immense. I was literally shocked by it's enormity. I looked at the main building with Jesus an the Apostles looking down at the square and instantly was like, "Oh that's why this is a powerful organisation with global reach." Like any question of their power just evaporated. It was a pretty... humbling I guess... experience.....half it takes to walk from the gate, through the halls you see some sick shit (they're lined with countless priceless works of art, like to the point where
you're eventually like, Ok fuck, I get it, another chamber of priceless
art, whooptie fuck).


The Bernini Colonnade, (surrounding St.Pete's Square), was created to elicit exactly the response you describe. The art is a serious "embarrasment of riches", (but I happen to think dumping it all on the art market would just depress prices, so am not sure what will happen with it all). Speaking of "shushing".. ahem, .. when I was there last summer the guide was talking about the cardinals wearing red cuz they were willing to shed blood for Jeebus. I inconveniently spoke up, and suggested it might have more to do with the garb of early Renaissance Italian civic officals, and was told I was "not the guide". Me, being the weirdo I am, like the porno on display, (down the street). The same Bernini, scupted this ! Erxomi will appreciate it. And if you think she looks just a teensy orgasmic, since she, (St. Teresa of Avila), said she was visited by angels who "gave me exqusite pain", you might just be on to something. Tongue


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24-05-2012, 09:54 AM
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Ha -is there some problem with the Ecstasy of St Teresa? I find it an exquisite work.
The Bernini wasn't the first piece placed there; the first was a fairly adequate yet unexciting work. I'm not certain of the artist, but I believe the Bernini replaced a work The Ecstasy of St Paul ... and uh, yuk... who'd want to see that? (me, I guess -curiosity-)

I guess I'm moved by any work of art as just the work itself. The content and /or connotation is certainly acknowledged, but I can always appreciate the work in it's purest form as an example of the creative power of humanity.

There are many works of art that the Vatican owns. It would be wonderful to get them out into the public eye for the world to experience as treasures of man's creative power. Which may of course, be the issue. Keeping some of the greatest examples of man's creativity under their control... what does that tell us of their motive... of their continuing agenda?

Yes; St Peters Square is meant to be immense and humbling. One is meant to be humbled before the church... before God. How blasphemous of me to be far more humbled by the excruciatingly beautiful detail of works created by human beings. Angel

But of course ... I'm an Atheist.
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For the record, my fascination with the oddities of this all powerful, fucked up place ... is far more shall I say, discrete...

In the basement of the Vatican, there are a couple of small rooms with catalogued contents. These rooms contain small bits of stone and statuary removed from several public works on display. I use the term "bits" because they are indeed, only parts of larger works.

Nude or now semi-nude, work in the Vatican has been censored; these small rooms contain the catalogued, stone genitalia of many publicly displayed statues throughout the Vatican. Going through the proper channels, an historian or art historian may gain access and view the contents of these rooms -I have never had the privilege, but I and many are well aware of their existence.

Shocking The Vatican holds the keys to rooms full of willies; their only stronghold... as far as I'm concerned.

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24-05-2012, 10:05 AM (This post was last modified: 24-05-2012 10:40 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Occupy the Vatican
(24-05-2012 09:54 AM)kim Wrote:  Ha -is there some problem with the Ecstasy of St Teresa? I find it an exquisite work.
The Bernini wasn't the first piece placed there; the first was a fairly adequate yet unexciting work. I'm not certain of the artist, but I believe the Bernini replaced a work The Ecstasy of St Paul ... and uh, yuk... who'd want to see that? (me, I guess -curiosity-)

Nude or now semi-nude, work in the Vatican has been censored; these small rooms contain the catalogued, stone genitalia of many publicly displayed statues throughout the Vatican. Going through the proper channels, an historian or art historian may gain access and view the contents of these rooms -I have never had the privilege, but I and many are well aware of their existence.

Shocking The Vatican holds the keys to rooms full of willies; their only stronghold... as far as I'm concerned.


I think there is a hall of nudes in the Vatican Library with "former nudes", which are now strategically coverered, (fig leaves) I remember walking down that isle, but it might not be open to the public, (as gramps was a diplomat).

But the classical art collection is ASTOUNDING, and should be public.

They also have a famous porn collection. http://wikiality.wikia.com/Vatican
http://www.neatorama.com/2011/10/18/the-...sculpture/

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