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06-04-2016, 06:59 AM
Oh the Irony.............
Christians rightfully siding with Dawkins, we agree, ISIS is basing their violence on their holy books. But lets forget about the history of Christianity, and it's justifications for slavery, genocide of Native Americans, sexism against women and condemnation of gays. No, see when they are dicks they are doing it for the correct god.

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/ev.../83236.htm

All holy books and holy writings are divisive. There are the empathetic left who uses them to justify kindness, and there is the violent right who picks out different words and calls it "self defense of the religion". But they all do it.

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06-04-2016, 07:31 AM
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(06-04-2016 06:59 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  Christians rightfully siding with Dawkins, we agree, ISIS is basing their violence on their holy books. But lets forget about the history of Christianity, and it's justifications for slavery, genocide of Native Americans, sexism against women and condemnation of gays. No, see when they are dicks they are doing it for the correct god.

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/ev.../83236.htm

All holy books and holy writings are divisive. There are the empathetic left who uses them to justify kindness, and there is the violent right who picks out different words and calls it "self defense of the religion". But they all do it.

To be perfectly fair, I don't see other religious groups besides Muslims engaging in holy war *today* because of what their books says. Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and everyone else seems to be perfectly capable of refraining from trying to start WW3 because of anything written in their books -perceived or otherwise.

That doesn't mean that we can't learn from the mistakes of our past, but... -well, actually there it is right there. Maybe other religious groups have learned, and that's why they're not strapping bombs to their chests and running into crowded shopping malls.
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06-04-2016, 07:40 AM
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(06-04-2016 07:31 AM)Aliza Wrote:  
(06-04-2016 06:59 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  Christians rightfully siding with Dawkins, we agree, ISIS is basing their violence on their holy books. But lets forget about the history of Christianity, and it's justifications for slavery, genocide of Native Americans, sexism against women and condemnation of gays. No, see when they are dicks they are doing it for the correct god.

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/ev.../83236.htm

All holy books and holy writings are divisive. There are the empathetic left who uses them to justify kindness, and there is the violent right who picks out different words and calls it "self defense of the religion". But they all do it.

To be perfectly fair, I don't see other religious groups besides Muslims engaging in holy war *today* because of what their books says. Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and everyone else seems to be perfectly capable of refraining from trying to start WW3 because of anything written in their books -perceived or otherwise.

That doesn't mean that we can't learn from the mistakes of our past, but... -well, actually there it is right there. Maybe other religious groups have learned, and that's why they're not strapping bombs to their chests and running into crowded shopping malls.


Meet Ochola John -- a victim of the "Lord's Resistance Army" -- in Congo....

[Image: a06798dd9948b59305bc2011bede7f78.png?itok=eBEXdk6_]



Joseph Kony the leader of the LRA rules a child army - guided by the 10 Commandments - and calls himself a xtian.............

If you want to play the "not a real xtian" card, feel free ----

but I figure that's total bullshit.....

Give them time - they'll start another crusade.... It's what they do.

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06-04-2016, 07:53 AM
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(06-04-2016 07:40 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  
(06-04-2016 07:31 AM)Aliza Wrote:  To be perfectly fair, I don't see other religious groups besides Muslims engaging in holy war *today* because of what their books says. Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and everyone else seems to be perfectly capable of refraining from trying to start WW3 because of anything written in their books -perceived or otherwise.

That doesn't mean that we can't learn from the mistakes of our past, but... -well, actually there it is right there. Maybe other religious groups have learned, and that's why they're not strapping bombs to their chests and running into crowded shopping malls.


Meet Ochola John -- a victim of the "Lord's Resistance Army" -- in Congo....

[Image: a06798dd9948b59305bc2011bede7f78.png?itok=eBEXdk6_]



Joseph Kony the leader of the LRA rules a child army - guided by the 10 Commandments - and calls himself a xtian.............

If you want to play the "not a real xtian" card, feel free ----

but I figure that's total bullshit.....

Give them time - they'll start another crusade.... It's what they do.

Oh, that's just awful. Sad

The group that you mentioned is considered to be a cult, but your point is well taken. Any religious group can radicalize their doctrine.
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06-04-2016, 08:01 AM
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It's not that they have learned from their history (they also don't credit for taking 2000+ years to figure out setting people on fire or genocide is bad) but rather that those religions have been declawed, either by other religions or secular laws and society.

Anyone who thinks that, for example, Christianity would NOT revert back to its barbaric practices if given the opportunity is the one not learning from history. Islam is the way it is now because it hasn't been forced into modernity.

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06-04-2016, 08:08 AM
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(06-04-2016 07:53 AM)Aliza Wrote:  
(06-04-2016 07:40 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  Meet Ochola John -- a victim of the "Lord's Resistance Army" -- in Congo....

[Image: a06798dd9948b59305bc2011bede7f78.png?itok=eBEXdk6_]



Joseph Kony the leader of the LRA rules a child army - guided by the 10 Commandments - and calls himself a xtian.............

If you want to play the "not a real xtian" card, feel free ----

but I figure that's total bullshit.....

Give them time - they'll start another crusade.... It's what they do.

Oh, that's just awful. Sad

The group that you mentioned is considered to be a cult, but your point is well taken. Any religious group can radicalize their doctrine.

The difference between a cult and a religion --


A cult - there's one guy at the top who knows it's all bullshit.

A religion - that guy's dead.

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Kony can't last forever.....

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06-04-2016, 08:12 AM
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(06-04-2016 08:01 AM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  It's not that they have learned from their history (they also don't credit for taking 2000+ years to figure out setting people on fire or genocide is bad) but rather that those religions have been declawed, either by other religions or secular laws and society.

Anyone who thinks that, for example, Christianity would NOT revert back to its barbaric practices if given the opportunity is the one not learning from history. Islam is the way it is now because it hasn't been forced into modernity.

Fair point.
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06-04-2016, 08:15 AM
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(06-04-2016 07:31 AM)Aliza Wrote:  ...
To be perfectly fair, I don't see other religious groups besides Muslims engaging in holy war *today* because of what their books says. Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and everyone else seems to be perfectly capable of refraining from trying to start WW3 because of anything written in their books -perceived or otherwise.
...

Have you not been paying attention?

Bosnia and Kosovo ... Milosevic, Radovan Karadzic, Ratko Mladic and their Catholic and Christian Orthodox killing squads.

Central African Republic ... Anti-balaka -
Quote:Early 2014 marked a turning point; hardened by war and massacres, the anti-balaka committed multiple atrocities.[6] In 2014, Amnesty International reported several massacres committed by anti-balaka against Muslim civilians, forcing thousands of Muslims to flee the country.[17][18]

India ... The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT),
Quote:The NLFT manifesto says that they want to expand what they describe as the kingdom of God and Jesus Christ in Tripura.[6]

Uganda ... The Lord's Resistance Army ... y'know, Joseph Kony, the spokesperson of God.

And in the good ol' USofA... Dominion Theology insists that Christians are called by God to (re)build society on Christian values to subjugate the earth and establish dominion over all things, as a pre-requisite for the second coming of Christ.

Thailand ... Not so peaceful Buddhists:
Quote:In Southeast Asia, Thailand has had several prominent virulent Buddhist monastic calls for violence. In the 1970s, nationalist Buddhist monks like Phra Kittiwuttho argued that killing Communists did not violate any of the Buddhist precepts.[39](p. 110) The militant side of Thai Buddhism became prominent again in 2004 when a Malay Muslim insurgency renewed in Thailand's deep south. Since January 2004, the Thai government has converted Buddhist monasteries into military outposts, commissioned Buddhist military monks and given support to Buddhist vigilante squads.

India ... Well, I can understand why they'd find the christians irritating.
Quote:The Commission investigated the sequence of events on Aug. 23-31, 2008, which sparked a wave of attacks on Christians in Orissa, leaving almost 100 believers dead, 56,000 people homeless, and 300 churches and 6,000 homes raided and looted.


Or when you said "today", did you mean actually 'today' rather than in modern times i.e. this century?

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06-04-2016, 08:21 AM
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(06-04-2016 08:15 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(06-04-2016 07:31 AM)Aliza Wrote:  ...
To be perfectly fair, I don't see other religious groups besides Muslims engaging in holy war *today* because of what their books says. Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and everyone else seems to be perfectly capable of refraining from trying to start WW3 because of anything written in their books -perceived or otherwise.
...

Have you not been paying attention?

Bosnia and Kosovo ... Milosevic, Radovan Karadzic, Ratko Mladic and their Catholic and Christian Orthodox killing squads.

Central African Republic ... Anti-balaka -
Quote:Early 2014 marked a turning point; hardened by war and massacres, the anti-balaka committed multiple atrocities.[6] In 2014, Amnesty International reported several massacres committed by anti-balaka against Muslim civilians, forcing thousands of Muslims to flee the country.[17][18]

India ... The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT),
Quote:The NLFT manifesto says that they want to expand what they describe as the kingdom of God and Jesus Christ in Tripura.[6]

Uganda ... The Lord's Resistance Army ... y'know, Joseph Kony, the spokesperson of God.

And in the good ol' USofA... Dominion Theology insists that Christians are called by God to (re)build society on Christian values to subjugate the earth and establish dominion over all things, as a pre-requisite for the second coming of Christ.

Thailand ... Not so peaceful Buddhists:
Quote:In Southeast Asia, Thailand has had several prominent virulent Buddhist monastic calls for violence. In the 1970s, nationalist Buddhist monks like Phra Kittiwuttho argued that killing Communists did not violate any of the Buddhist precepts.[39](p. 110) The militant side of Thai Buddhism became prominent again in 2004 when a Malay Muslim insurgency renewed in Thailand's deep south. Since January 2004, the Thai government has converted Buddhist monasteries into military outposts, commissioned Buddhist military monks and given support to Buddhist vigilante squads.

India ... Well, I can understand why they'd find the christians irritating.
Quote:The Commission investigated the sequence of events on Aug. 23-31, 2008, which sparked a wave of attacks on Christians in Orissa, leaving almost 100 believers dead, 56,000 people homeless, and 300 churches and 6,000 homes raided and looted.


Or when you said "today", did you mean actually 'today' rather than in modern times i.e. this century?

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06-04-2016, 09:19 AM
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(06-04-2016 07:31 AM)Aliza Wrote:  
(06-04-2016 06:59 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  Christians rightfully siding with Dawkins, we agree, ISIS is basing their violence on their holy books. But lets forget about the history of Christianity, and it's justifications for slavery, genocide of Native Americans, sexism against women and condemnation of gays. No, see when they are dicks they are doing it for the correct god.

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/ev.../83236.htm

All holy books and holy writings are divisive. There are the empathetic left who uses them to justify kindness, and there is the violent right who picks out different words and calls it "self defense of the religion". But they all do it.

To be perfectly fair, I don't see other religious groups besides Muslims engaging in holy war *today* because of what their books says. Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and everyone else seems to be perfectly capable of refraining from trying to start WW3 because of anything written in their books -perceived or otherwise.

That doesn't mean that we can't learn from the mistakes of our past, but... -well, actually there it is right there. Maybe other religious groups have learned, and that's why they're not strapping bombs to their chests and running into crowded shopping malls.

Bullshit...... You don't see that level of organized violence no, but it is only because of secular law that Christians cannot be organized dicks at that level. We've had in our history Christian based slavery, Christian justified genocide of Natives, Christian justified denial of women's rights to vote, Christian justified bigotry during segregation, and still today Christian justified bigotry towards gays and still a constant political assault on women's reproductive rights.

If our right wing had a majority control and no secular constitution stopping them what do you think they would do to Muslims, gays and atheists?

The bible is just as full of verses that justify violence and bigotry, the only reason you don't see it at that level is because we've had a longer history of keeping a leash on it.

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