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04-07-2012, 07:33 PM (This post was last modified: 04-07-2012 07:52 PM by fstratzero.)
RE: Omegle chat with Christian
Some arguments to fuel the disproofs.

If their god sends one being to hell, god him self is committing an infinitely evil act. Therefore it could be said that god is infinitely evil.

If god is inside of everything and everybody, then he is inside the atheist, disproving himself. He is inside the murderer, the rapist, the dictator, and every human being who spreads misery.

If god is inconceivable then he is unknowable. If he is unknowable then why would anybody think of him.

If the existence of mankind is not necessary to god then god is not necessary to us. If god owes us nothing then we owe it nothing.

Contradictory much?


Anyways good job with the talk. That guy seemed to intellectually lazy to back up anything, and probably never heard a single argument against his position.

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05-07-2012, 06:30 PM
RE: Omegle chat with Christian
I got an idea reading this. A one point you sarcastically referred to yourself as god.
Let's all do this. On FaceBook, et al.
We can blast the air waves pretending to be god. Angel Pick a date and get the story line straight. Maybe the following:
You can announce Your second coming, tell Christeos to give all of their possessions to charity. Go out in their front yard completely naked and scream that they love Jesus and You'll rapture them. Just keep screaming until I get to you. There a lots of people in line so be patient, it could take hours.
Would any fall for this?
If there are enough "mass" posts all saying the same thing it could work.
Imagine the local news headlines that night? Millions naked in front yard screaming, "Rapture me Jesus".

The old gods are dead, let's invent some new ones before something really bad happens.
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05-07-2012, 07:05 PM
RE: Omegle chat with Christian
(05-07-2012 06:30 PM)Thomas Wrote:  I got an idea reading this. A one point you sarcastically referred to yourself as god.
Let's all do this. On FaceBook, et al.
We can blast the air waves pretending to be god. Angel Pick a date and get the story line straight. Maybe the following:
You can announce Your second coming, tell Christeos to give all of their possessions to charity. Go out in their front yard completely naked and scream that they love Jesus and You'll rapture them. Just keep screaming until I get to you. There a lots of people in line so be patient, it could take hours.
Would any fall for this?
If there are enough "mass" posts all saying the same thing it could work.
Imagine the local news headlines that night? Millions naked in front yard screaming, "Rapture me Jesus".
Flash mob, to be sure. Shocking

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06-07-2012, 03:58 AM
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Hahahahahahahha, Rapture me Jesus!! Hahahahahahahhahaha...

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06-07-2012, 06:17 AM
RE: Omegle chat with Christian
(04-07-2012 04:46 AM)Filox Wrote:  I see this as pretty typical, and yes, now I will be generalizing a bit...

Quote: You: What do you do for a living?

Stranger: i work for a garage door company

Stranger: and yourself?

You: I'm a computer Science Engeneer
This is just enough information do decide who is smarter here and who has more intelligent arguments. Go and fix your garage doors, you Christian.

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08-07-2012, 06:05 AM
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I just gnawed my own head off at the neck.
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08-07-2012, 06:34 AM
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(08-07-2012 06:05 AM)Cat_Herder Wrote:  I just gnawed my own head off at the neck.
Interesting.

How on earth did you achieve that?

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09-07-2012, 04:03 AM
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11-07-2012, 05:36 AM
RE: Omegle chat with Christian
Just had a pretty detailed conversation with an Orthodox Christian on Omegle that was very interesting but somewhat depressing - I hope these tags work if not how do I hide the body of text like the OP?

Essentially he outright came and admitted that it was more important to him to believe what made him feel good than to believe the truth Sleepy.

You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say
hi!

You and the stranger both like religion.

Stranger: Hello

You: Hello there

You: urgh

You: just got asked ASL

Stranger: I hate asl

You: does anything say I'm
sexually frustrated and have no life better than ASL?

Stranger: Actually,there is
always the 17 male with kik looking for horny girls

Stranger: haha

You: haha

You: my name is Adam by the way
nice to meet you

Stranger: my name is Alex

Stranger: likewise

You: oh and as for location I'm
from the UK

Stranger: I'm Romanian

Stranger: You like religion?

You: I'm an atheist so to say I'm
interested by it would be more accurate, how about yourself

Stranger: I'm an orthodox
Christian

You: ah I think we have spoken in
the past

Stranger: Have we?

You: I certainly remember talking
to an orthodox christian a few days ago

Stranger: I don't recall

Stranger: Well,ther are many
orthodoxs in the world

Stranger: Smile

You: not met so many on here Tongue

You: but you are right

You: anyway regarding orthodox
christianity

You: do you regard the bible as
inerrant?

Stranger: Me personally,or
orthodoxs in general?

You: both

You: Tongue

Stranger: Orthodoxs in general
yes

Stranger: Me,hmm I agree with the
messages it sents

Stranger: For example I don't
belive that Moses had every animal in the world into his ark

Stranger: Smile

You: you mean Noah Tongue

Stranger: Noah

Stranger: I'm sorry for the error

You: no worries

You: lot of names in the bible
haha

Stranger: True

Stranger: Where you born
christian?

You: I'm not sure if I follow the
question - I think that it would be difficult to argue a baby is born
with a faith

You: my home was nominally
christian

You: Christmas/Easter type

You: but from the age of reason
I've not really believed

Stranger: And now you don't
celebrate Christmas?

You: sure I do, it's a cultural
thing

You: it doesn't matter to me that
I don't think I'm celebrating the birth of the messiah

You: in anycase

You: December 25th

You: was originally a pagan
celebration but it was taken on by the church

Stranger: I know

You: same for Easter

Stranger: That it was pegan at
start

You: Esther was a pagan godess of
fertility

You: hence the eggs/fertility
symbols

Stranger: I didn't know about
Easter

You: learn something new every
day!

Stranger: In Orthodxy it's said
that Virgin Mary went with eggs when Jesus was crossified

Stranger: And those eggs were
touched by his blood

You: is that in the bible?

You: I don't recall reading that

Stranger: In Orthodoxy

Stranger: I don't know about
protenstantism

You: fair enough

You: might I ask you a question?

Stranger: Shoot

You: so if you are not convinced
of the reliability of parts of the bible - e.g Noah's Ark on what
grounds can you justify taking other parts as being reliable?

You: it isn't like Noah's ark is
a minor story

Stranger: hmm good question

Stranger: for an extremist it
would be an important part

Stranger: for me it isn't

You: but still if you cannot
trust the reliability of that part of the bible

You: why trust it regarding X, Y,
or Z

Stranger: Well,we mostly study
the life of Jesus

Stranger: I don't know that much
of the old testament

You: but you cannot ignore the
fact that without the earlier stuff the whole justification for the
later stuff falls out?

Stranger: And yes,you are right

Stranger: Of course I cannot
ignore that

You: okay at least you are honest
enough to concede a lack of knowledge regarding some parts of the OT,
some people on here seem to think if they concede something they have
lost

You: very intellectually
dishonest

Stranger: haha

Stranger: not at all

You: do you have any questions
you'd like to ask me? I don't want you to feel like I'm interrogating
you

Stranger: I don't follow that
much organised religion

Stranger: I think it got
corrupted by it's power

Stranger: I don't feel like it's
an interrogation

Stranger: But I don't get one
thing

Stranger: Why do atheists want to
prove believers that their God is false?

You: well personally speaking I
am of the opinion that peoples beliefs matter, that they inform their
actions

You: if people are acting in
harmful ways under the assumption it is for the greater good and
there is good reason to assume that their convictions are baseless I
feel it is important to try and show them that.

Stranger: Yes,that's a problem of
extremists

Stranger: Not regular people like
me

You: well

You: it depends how you look at
it

You: you might be doing anything
directly to hurt anyone

You: but the passive majority
give protection to the extremists in my opinion and give them an
inflated sense of power due to numbers, not to mention the moderate
of today can become the extremist of tomorrow.

You: I'd personally rather people
believe as many true things and as few false things as possible.

Stranger: haha

Stranger: I can never become an
extremist

Stranger: Because I practise my
religion only for myself

Stranger: I don't care if you
follow it or Ahmet follows it

Stranger: I respect your
principales

You: you don't know that for
certain the situation in 5,10 or 20 years might change - most people
who were believers could never imagine being an atheist but there are
many who are in any case.

Stranger: I didn't get that

Stranger: Many elivers could
never imagine being an atheist

You: yes exactly but there are
many former believers- who once held that position and are now
atheists - sorry I phrased it badly

Stranger: oh

Stranger: so you think that if
there is a chance to become extremists then everyone should be
convinced that God doesn't exist?

You: well it is impossible to
prove a negative

You: but I think if people are
believing things for bad reasons they should be encouraged to examine
their beliefs critically

You: if something doesn't stand
up to scrutiny what is the value of it?

Stranger: What stands up?

You: I suppose it depends too on
whether you think false hope can be a good thing

Stranger: Because people like me
gain peace and happines from that

Stranger: And all in all it helps
me become a better person

You: okay well lets examine that
a little bit

Stranger: Have you ever been
sick?

You: sure I have

Stranger: I mean something
serious,a chronic disease

You: well when I was born I was
11 weeks premature and weighed 2lbs 4 ounces

You: and was very ill for a time
as a newborn

You: but other than that now

You: *no

Stranger: then you don't know how
it is,to loose every hope

You: is it not better to see
things for what they are though than to find false comfort in what
might be called a delusion?

Stranger: If that delusion helps
you and doesn't hurt others,then I don't see anything bad

You: might I ask you a question

You: how do you feel about gay
marriage

You: gay adoption

You: etc

Stranger: But I don't think that
my faith is a delusion

Stranger: Regarding my religion
or me as my personal belief?

You: personally

Stranger: I find gay unnatural

Stranger: But if it doesn't
affect me then it doesn't bother me

You: how can something be
unnatural if it occurs in nature

Stranger: It occurs as a
mistake,it's not a regular thing

You: indeed there is a type of
lizard who is entirely female and the species reproduces via lesbian
"sex" for want of a better term

You: with the offspring being
essentially clones

Stranger: Smile

Stranger: Yes but we are not
lizards that have only females

You:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico_whiptail - if you are
interested

Stranger: thanks

You: on what grounds can
"homosexuality" be called a mistake?

You: If it has advantages for a
population surely it can help the species survive as a whole

You: i can see circumstances
where non-reproducing members of the community can be very iseful

You: *useful

Stranger: I'm not talking about
that

Stranger: I'm saying that I as a
straight man don't find that natural

Stranger: Something inside me
says that

You: well if depends what you
mean is natural

You: I'm straight

You: I don't want to have gay sex
with another man

You: but I acknowledge the fact
that homosexuality occurs in nature and is harmless so it isn't my
business if two gay people want to have gay sex or get a gay civil
marriage so they can enjoy the same rights as anyone else

Stranger: haha

Stranger: That's what I said

Stranger: It doesn't bother
me,it's not my business if it doesn't harm me

You: I understand the term
unnatural in a different way to you

You: that is the only thing

Stranger: Yes,we do

Stranger: Are you pro gay
adoption?

You: yes I think that so long as
the parents are loving it doesn't matter

You: ideally it would be nice for
children to have both their natural parents

You: so long as they were loving

Stranger: THat's utopic in our
world

You: but we don't live in a
perfetct world

You: exactly

You: *perfect

You: so in a choice between
having no parents

You: or having same sex parents
who care for you

You: which is the best choice?

Stranger: to have parents

You: sure

You: so on that basis same sex
couples being able to adopt is a desirable thing

Stranger: I woudn't vote on it

Stranger: But yes,it's better to
have parents

You: would you like to ask me
something I feel like I've been asking you much more

Stranger: no,this isn't a you ask
me a question,i ask you a question type of discussion

You: I like questions though

You: if you have them feel free
to ask me one

You: if not I have more for you

Stranger: go ahead

You: okay

You: do you believe people have
free will?

Stranger: Yes

You: Okay well let me ask you
this then

You: Do you believe God is
omniscient?

Stranger: I do

You: Omnipotent?

Stranger: Yes,I get where you're
headed

You: The Creator?

Stranger: Yes

You: Okay well let me explain the
premise then

Stranger: Then why does he let us
have the bad side,right?

You: no

You: no

You: it isn't a question of let

You: If God is the omniscient,
omnipotent creator of everything prior to creation he would have not
only been able to create in any way he wanted but would have been
able to know the results of any particular creation before the point
of creation

You: I don't see how free will
exists in this kind of universe because everything is rendered
deterministic because of the nature of gods position as omniscient
creator

Stranger: Can you reformulate?

You: okay

You: God has foreknowledge of
everything before he created anything

You: god has the ability to
create in any way he would like to

You: brb

You: back, sorry my dogs were
going crazy

Stranger: it's ok

You: god chose a particular way
to create and in doing so he predetermined everything that would
happen

You: therefore nothing can be
said to happen that isn't within the will of god

You: this is the argument
Calvinists use against Armenian Christianity

Stranger: Yes,we have free will
and he can choose everything

Stranger: But God,as omniscient
as He is,he knows what will happemn

Stranger: *happen

You: but he could have created in
multiple ways, in world A his creation leads someone to be a murderer
in world B it leads them to be a doctor

You: it is not the omniscience
that is the problem it is the omniscience coupled with the property
of being a creator too

You: it isn't a problem for
Calvinists who will say everything happens as god intends it for the
glory of gods plan

Stranger: It's not about being a
doctor o being murdered by someone;it's important what you do before
you die

You: you dont seem to understand
my point

You: how can anyone in this kind
of universe be held accountable for their actions when they were
predetermined by an omniscient god before the creation of anything?

You: choice in the first person
may appear to exist but objectively speaking it does not

Stranger: So you're saying if God
already controls our lifes then how can some people pay for their
sins and some don't

Stranger: right?

You: I'm saying free will doesn't
seem to exist in that kind of universe

You: and if free will doesn't
exist why is it fair or just to punish people for their actions

You: ie with hell or annihilation

Stranger: I think that we have
free will,given by God so we can choose right from wrong

Stranger: God did not make a
perfect world for us

Stranger: And He does not have a
book of destiny like some belive

Stranger: Or at least I think
that

You: that is not what the Bible
says - the bible says that it was an action of people that led to the
imperfect nature of the world

You: and if things are not
predetermined how can prophecy exist?

Stranger: again,you're not
talking to the right person

Stranger: I don't follow things
word by word

You: again I ask you if that is
the case on what basis can you reasonably justify any of your faith

Stranger: there is none

You: if you doubt the reliability
of the holy book your faith and doctrines come from how beyond
personal preference is it decided that this part is true and this
part is false

Stranger: I choose to belive it

You: I don't mean this in a
negative or derogatory way it is just a plain question - do you care
about what is true more or less than what makes you feel happier or
more fulfilled?

Stranger: I care mostly about
being happy and fulfilled

Stranger: And having a peacefull
life

You: then I don't think there is
any further we can go with this :/

Stranger: I'm not offended

You: I appreciate your honesty
but i don't see what there is to discuss now

You: do you have anything you'd
like to ask me?

Stranger: nope

Stranger: This conversation was a
pleasure

Stranger: Have a nice life Adam!

You: you too

Stranger: I hope you find peace

You: I hope you find truth Tongue

Stranger:
Smile

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11-07-2012, 12:31 PM
RE: Omegle chat with Christian
(11-07-2012 05:36 AM)Goose Springsteen Wrote:  Just had a pretty detailed conversation with an Orthodox Christian on Omegle that was very interesting but somewhat depressing - I hope these tags work if not how do I hide the body of text like the OP?

Essentially he outright came and admitted that it was more important to him to believe what made him feel good than to believe the truth Sleepy.

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Reading the end of the conversation ruined my mood. How can someone be more interested in feeling comfortable than knowing the truth? That's a horrible attitude that allows the most horrific things to happen when multiple people feel the same way. It's that kind of attitude that let's people look the other way when bad things happen behind closed doors.

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