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06-12-2011, 11:55 AM
 
On governance

What are the options for governance?

Anarchy

No rules, working out differences on a one-by-one basis, rationally, cooperatively.

Democracy

Proposing and making rules and voting on them. Majority rule. Judicial branch to draft rules in a consistent, unambiguous way; Administrative branch to organize activities; Executive branch to make sure rules are followed.

Autocracy

One person (or group) makes the rules and enforces them by some form of power structure.

What are the advantages and disadvantages of each form?

Anarchy
Pro: Maximum flexibility, freedom, friendly and cooperative environment.

Con: Works only on the assumption of 100% rational and cooperative membership. Once a crisis is triggered by members who are not the assumed kind, no mechanism exists to resolve issues


Democracy
Pro: (Ideally) Clear understanding of the rules and the standards of conduct in the community. Mechanism in place to change and adjust the rules as necessary. When the unexpected happens, either apply existing rules or create/modify some to deal with it. Minimum confusion. It could work well in small enough groups.

Con: Almost impossible to make clear definitions and rules on controversial concepts like Pornography, Racisms, Hate literature, etc. (Art? Real psychological problems?, Malicious behaviour?). It can bog down in never ending debates, leaving problems unsolved and festering. Also vulnerable to corruption in any of the governing branches. Once the size of the group makes direct participation impossible (needing representatives), system breaks down (just see our own governments)


Autocracy
Pro: Maximum efficiency, avoiding both Cons I listed above
Con: Arbitrary dictatorship is a very real danger.

After this lengthy analysis (I tried to keep it as concise as I could), which form would be best suited for our community?

I am aware that I only listed the 3 theoretically pure forms and, in theory, you can have a mixture of any 2 or even all three of them.

I will now lay back and wait for input from the rest of you. Feel free to add/change/delete anything from my analysis above.

Once we reach a consensus (if we do) about the form of governance we wish to implement, then we can talk about the specific definitions and rules we wish to adopt (in case we opt for Democracy).
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06-12-2011, 11:57 AM
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I don't think anything needs changing, the forum works well as it is now.

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06-12-2011, 12:06 PM
 
RE: On governance
(06-12-2011 11:57 AM)Hughsie Wrote:  I don't think anything needs changing, the forum works well as it is now.

Hughsie, I respect your opinion about the forum working very well for you. There are others who might disagree, for whom it is NOT working well.

I propose we keep this thread, at least for a while, on the theoretical level (please indulge a theoretician) until we have discussed basic principles. Smile
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06-12-2011, 12:08 PM
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Inb4 soemone complains about making suggestions in the suggestion forum.

“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect.”

-Mark Twain
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06-12-2011, 12:11 PM
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I'm really tired of germanyt complaining about the forum.

(06-12-2011 12:08 PM)germanyt Wrote:  Inb4 soemone complains about making suggestions in the suggestion forum.

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06-12-2011, 12:11 PM
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(06-12-2011 12:06 PM)Zatamon Wrote:  Hughsie, I respect your opinion about the forum working very well for you. There are others who might disagree, for whom it is NOT working well.

I propose we keep this thread, at least for a while, on the theoretical level (please indulge a theoretician) until we have discussed basic principles. Smile

Don't get me wrong I would never suggest getting rid of the thread, if other people think differently to me then I'm open to change if it's what the majority want.

I just wanted to voice my opinion. At the moment decisions are left in the hands of Stark and I think he's doing a fantastic job, the only reason I can think of to consider changing that is if Stark didn't want the responsibility any more.

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06-12-2011, 12:22 PM
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I think this is an excellent discussion that is very nescessary in light of the recent events, and more frequent complaints.

I will be following the thread closely, but I won't be contributing for a while. I want to see what you all think, and find out what your solutions would be. I feel that the discussion will be well guided in the hands of Zatamon, and he will be a better leader than myself in the search for resolution.

I'm not crossing my arms and pouting, I just think that my input into this discussion is better left until later. Right now this forum is very much an autocracy, since all final decisions are mine alone. I am comfortable with that changing, and in fact, I think I would prefer it that way. I am tired. I won't abandon you all, but at the same time feel as though my efforts are falling short of serving you all.

Like I always say, it's YOUR forum, so you are the ones who should choose how it's run.

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06-12-2011, 12:23 PM
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(06-12-2011 12:22 PM)Stark Raving Wrote:  I think this is an excellent discussion that is very nescessary in light of the recent events, and more frequent complaints.

I will be following the thread closely, but I won't be contributing for a while. I want to see what you all think, and find out what your solutions would be. I feel that the discussion will be well guided in the hands of Zatamon, and he will be a better leader than myself in the search for resolution.

I'm not crossing my arms and pouting, I just think that my input into this discussion is better left until later. Right now this forum is very much an autocracy, since all final decisions are mine alone. I am comfortable with that changing, and in fact, I think I would prefer it that way. I am tired. I won't abandon you all, but at the same time feel as though my efforts are falling short of serving you all.

Like I always say, it's YOUR forum, so you are the ones who should choose how it's run.

Just answer one thing Stark, if we all chose to keep things in your hands would you see that as a burden?

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Ferdinand: Everyone from British is so, like, fucking retarded.
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06-12-2011, 12:27 PM
 
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(06-12-2011 12:22 PM)Stark Raving Wrote:  I feel that the discussion will be well guided in the hands of Zatamon, and he will be a better leader than myself in the search for resolution.

Before anyone misunderstands: I have no desire to become a leader, of any sort.

I have been an independent consultant during the last 20 years and I intend to continue acting like that. Smile
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06-12-2011, 12:29 PM
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I don't really know to be honest. I guess it depends on what changes you guys would want me to impliment to improve things, and whether I would be trusted to make decisions without having to spend all of my time here explaining myself instead of taking part in conversations.
I suppose that's why I am tired. My time on here has become much more geared towards administration, and far less toward enjoying discussions with you all. It feels as though a seperation has occured. I used to just be "one of the gang" but it feels more and more like I'm looked at as "the boss". I hate that, and it's what makes me sometimes feel like what I'm doing here just isn't worth it.

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