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05-04-2012, 06:08 PM
On the appreciation of the universe.
I was going to add this as a comment to the fine-tuning argument thread, but decided to start fresh.

When people find that I'm an atheist, they are often surprised that I find the universe beautiful and life wondrous.

The universe is beautiful and wondrous, fearsome and terrible. Life is precious, nature profligate, bounteous, and cruel. I believe that life, the universe, and everything are precious precisely because there is no God, no Prime Mover, no Design.
Look around you, look at life and nature; look closely and deeply. That this is all here is so marvelous as to leave me breathless at its existence, nearly speechless in awe.
If this had been designed and created, I would look upon it in horror. It would not be wonderful - it would be the cruelest creation imaginable. Animals rend the flesh from living prey, Bambi is torn apart daily. Viruses invade and cause slow, painful death. Parasites feed on us, age destroys us, stars explode and consume their planets in fiery death.
But we are here. We are conscious. We can discover, we can contemplate, hope, aspire, take joy and comfort; we live. It might have been otherwise.

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05-04-2012, 09:45 PM
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(05-04-2012 06:08 PM)Chas Wrote:  I believe that life, the universe, and everything are precious precisely because there is no God, no Prime Mover, no Design.

That. Thumbsup Thumbsup

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15-05-2012, 01:11 AM
RE: On the appreciation of the universe.
(05-04-2012 06:08 PM)Chas Wrote:  I was going to add this as a comment to the fine-tuning argument thread, but decided to start fresh.

When people find that I'm an atheist, they are often surprised that I find the universe beautiful and life wondrous.

The universe is beautiful and wondrous, fearsome and terrible. Life is precious, nature profligate, bounteous, and cruel. I believe that life, the universe, and everything are precious precisely because there is no God, no Prime Mover, no Design.
Look around you, look at life and nature; look closely and deeply. That this is all here is so marvelous as to leave me breathless at its existence, nearly speechless in awe.
If this had been designed and created, I would look upon it in horror. It would not be wonderful - it would be the cruelest creation imaginable. Animals rend the flesh from living prey, Bambi is torn apart daily. Viruses invade and cause slow, painful death. Parasites feed on us, age destroys us, stars explode and consume their planets in fiery death.
But we are here. We are conscious. We can discover, we can contemplate, hope, aspire, take joy and comfort; we live. It might have been otherwise.

Exactly. Thank you for expressing that so beautifully.

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15-05-2012, 09:42 AM
RE: On the appreciation of the universe.
Quote: But we are here. We are conscious. We can discover, we can contemplate,
hope, aspire, take joy and comfort; we live. It might have been
otherwise.
No, Girly...That. Thumbsup Thumbsup

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15-05-2012, 05:10 PM
RE: On the appreciation of the universe.
Part and parcel, Hellbound. Wink

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15-05-2012, 05:32 PM
RE: On the appreciation of the universe.
The universe is, indeed, appreciating... at an increasing rate. Meanwhile, I depreciate... also at an increasing rate.
I wish it was otherwise. But wishful thinking does not depreciate my appreciation of the universe.

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15-05-2012, 05:34 PM
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Eloquently put, Chas Smile

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15-05-2012, 07:47 PM
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(15-05-2012 05:32 PM)DLJ Wrote:  The universe is, indeed, appreciating... at an increasing rate. Meanwhile, I depreciate... also at an increasing rate.
I wish it was otherwise. But wishful thinking does not depreciate my appreciation of the universe.

Not sure I'd wish it were otherwise DLJ. But I'm careful what I wish for. Wink

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