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28-02-2012, 05:08 PM
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They said Bob Barr was going to get the libertarian support under the party after Ron Paul hung it up in 2008.. that didn't happen at all. Can you give one reason to think it will happen this time in 2012? Even with the talk there is likely to be more competition amongst 3rd party interest if the Americans Elect movement which has got itself in ballots chooses anyone who could draw more interest than Johnson.

Maybe Johnson can pull support from people who are after a 3rd party push from that movement. The only man legitimately running for a 3rd party ahead of in support/interest there now is Buddy Roemer. A lot of people there are pro-Paul pro-Huntsman but they've both said, as of the time being, they aren't going to seek 3rd party candidacy themselves.

It's being quite delusional if you think Ron Paul wasn't overlooked and covered by the media on all sides. None of the major news networks were talking about him when he was polling high in places like the Iowa Straw Poll or during the new big gimmick candidate of the month cycle.
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28-02-2012, 05:14 PM
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(28-02-2012 05:08 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  They said Bob Barr was going to get the libertarian support under the party after Ron Paul hung it up in 2008.. that didn't happen at all. Can you give one reason to think it will happen this time in 2012? Even with the talk there is likely to be more competition amongst 3rd party interest if the Americans Elect movement which has got itself in ballots chooses anyone who could draw more interest than Johnson.

Maybe Johnson can pull support from people who are after a 3rd party push from that movement. The only man legitimately running for a 3rd party ahead of in support/interest there now is Buddy Roemer. A lot of people there are pro-Paul pro-Huntsman but they've both said, as of the time being, they aren't going to seek 3rd party candidacy themselves.

It's being quite delusional if you think Ron Paul wasn't overlooked and covered by the media on all sides. None of the major news networks were talking about him when he was polling high in places like the Iowa Straw Poll or during the new big gimmick candidate of the month cycle.

Or when they tossed out 14% of Maine's vote because Ron Paul pulled ahead of Romney at the end.

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28-02-2012, 05:27 PM (This post was last modified: 28-02-2012 05:48 PM by satan69.)
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they didnt take him serious until he was leading in Iowa. then they did and plastered the newsletters for 3 days. thats when santurum surged...... bob barr was a phony. roemer is worthless. a failed governor of Louisiana who couldnt beat the head of the kkk. he is a loser...... GJ has a real record. 2 term governor in a dem state. with ron pauls support he will poll at 15% . rp supporters didnt support barr because they knew he was fake. they will support GJ. put him in the debate and his numbers will go higher, but it will still be tough to win. its a uphill battle. obama and the repubs will continue to promise something for nothing and pay for none of it. voters wont realize this doesnt work until the economy finally collapses for good and inflation is 30%
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28-02-2012, 09:25 PM (This post was last modified: 28-02-2012 09:29 PM by mysticjbyrd.)
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(28-02-2012 02:21 PM)satan69 Wrote:  
(28-02-2012 02:31 AM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  Defense probably makes up about that much... I vote we cut that drastically. Balanced budget instantly.

I WIN! Vote for me!

PS: Keeping 100% of your income, yah that's retarded... The disparity from the rich and the poor is already outrageous, lets not make it much worse.

the only reason the disparity between rich and poor is wider now is because of bailouts , special interests, and the inflation tax to pay for it all. If we went back to true free market capitilism, we wouldn't privatize profits and socialize losses. rich people would still spend more and in turn pay more in taxes. taxing the rich more doesnt work. Its called DETROIT. taxing the rich just takes money from people who work and create jobs and gives it to politicians who waste it and give it to special interests like unions, solyndra, the military industrial complex, and whomever else gets them elected. The more money in politicians hands, the poorer we become. government is like a black hole that can never get enough money. if they collected 10 trillion in taxes they would spend 11 and then say everyone needs to pay their fair share and raise taxes. California, illinois, detroit.... same movie different title.


Ron Paul has ZERO chance of being president. Any momentum he had going into Iowa went up in smoke with his racist newsletters. Please don't say he is not responsible and didnt know anything.Trust me he did. he made millions off them. I like ron paul but too much baggage and a horrible speaker at his age now. your masturbating to a picture of a 70 years old elizabeth taylor. You need better porn


Ahh yes the good old days of free market capitalism in the early 1900s. The huge monopolies, the child work force, the corporate gangs that murdered workers, and good old fashioned slave labor. Well technically they weren't slaves, they were just paid fake currency that was only usable in the company stores...of course they wouldnt actually pay you enough to live on, so you went in debt. Meh thats close enough...also sounds awfully familiar to current times oddly enough. And my ohh my how the disparity between the rich and poor skyrocketed!

The result of capitalism is obvious. eventually a few people end up with the vast majority of the wealth. In pure capitalism this happens exponentially quickly, the govt regulations only slow the process.
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28-02-2012, 11:22 PM (This post was last modified: 28-02-2012 11:31 PM by satan69.)
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slavery isnt true real free market capitilism. True free market capitalism is when everyones rights are protected and are given the chance to succeed. if your a slave, you dont have the chance to compete. america never had real free market capitilism. we came close for a while. slavery was actually bad economics. the money they spent feeding, housing, and providing healthcare to slaves would of been better spent building your farm with paid labor and let people go to their own homes. detroit is what america will become after you institute high taxes, unions, spreading the wealth and a entitlement society. eventually you run out of other peoples money to spend and you go bk or detroit.
the widening of the wealth gap happens because of regulations. government controlled interest rates: cause bubbles and crashes. bailouts of banks that took to much risk makes banks richer and people more poor. remember spreading the wealth isnt just rich to poor. its middle class to rich. because of the fannie freddie and bank bailouts, the government took your money and forced you to buy houses for 100 cents on the dollar when its worth 50 cents. middle class is poorer and the bankers are now richer with big fat bonuses. the lawyers are also 500 million dollars richer because of the lawsuits against fannie and freddie.
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29-02-2012, 12:59 PM
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The economy can't be fixed. U.S. national debt will never be repaid, outsourced business will never return home, ultra-rich corporations will never pour their hoarded money back into the economy and the private company owning federal bank reserve will not give the ownership back to the govenrment.

I'd like to see some very radical changes in economy and politics, including crackdown on all the American financial industry and its private representatives. Locking down all stock exchanges and whole Wall Street. You know what. No economy can work, as long as the money are created out of nothing and other bad practices of market forces. Maybe a whole new currency, preferably money without debt, interest and inflation, owned and controlled by the government.
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29-02-2012, 02:15 PM (This post was last modified: 29-02-2012 02:19 PM by Starcrash.)
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(28-02-2012 12:49 PM)bemore Wrote:  
(28-02-2012 10:29 AM)kineo Wrote:  The economy is improving now actually.

What makes you think that???

Link???

It was discussed on last night's The Daily Show with Jon Stewart (starting at about 4:00).

Just about every indicator of economic growth shows improvement, setting record highs since the economic downturn in 2008.
(28-02-2012 05:14 PM)germanyt Wrote:  Or when they tossed out 14% of Maine's vote because Ron Paul pulled ahead of Romney at the end.

My state (Maine) is the only one that cast an electoral vote for Perot when he was running against the first George Bush and Bill Clinton. We probably have the most independents of any state --- I'm a registered Republican so that I could vote for my mother back when she became a Republican state representative, but I'm ideologically an Independent. If the vote comes down to Obama and one of these candidates other than Ron Paul, I'm just not going to vote... and we know that's how it will end. Ron Paul's best chance was here.

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29-02-2012, 07:35 PM (This post was last modified: 29-02-2012 09:06 PM by mysticjbyrd.)
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(28-02-2012 11:22 PM)satan69 Wrote:  slavery isnt true real free market capitilism. True free market capitalism is when everyones rights are protected and are given the chance to succeed. if your a slave, you dont have the chance to compete. america never had real free market capitilism. we came close for a while. slavery was actually bad economics. the money they spent feeding, housing, and providing healthcare to slaves would of been better spent building your farm with paid labor and let people go to their own homes. detroit is what america will become after you institute high taxes, unions, spreading the wealth and a entitlement society. eventually you run out of other peoples money to spend and you go bk or detroit.

the widening of the wealth gap happens because of regulations. government controlled interest rates: cause bubbles and crashes. bailouts of banks that took to much risk makes banks richer and people more poor. remember spreading the wealth isnt just rich to poor. its middle class to rich. because of the fannie freddie and bank bailouts, the government took your money and forced you to buy houses for 100 cents on the dollar when its worth 50 cents. middle class is poorer and the bankers are now richer with big fat bonuses. the lawyers are also 500 million dollars richer because of the lawsuits against fannie and freddie.


You are on some wicked dope dude....

The cost of feeding slaves makes slavery inefficient... In what way does that make any sense at all?

Taxes & Unions have been on the decline, and the disparity btn the rich and poor have been drastically increasing for at least the past 3 decades.

The whole country will look like detroit, but not for the reasons you listed. Nearly our entire infrastructure was made just after WWII with a lifespan of about 50 years. The army core of engineers rates our current infrastructure at a declining D. It would take roughly a couple trillion dollars to get that back up to a B. So what is different now? Why haven't we been able to fix and rebuild our infrastructure? Couldn't possibly be because we stopped taxing the wealth fairly could it? Nah, lets ya know lower it some more and wait for the trickle down scam, ohhh I mean economics, to kick in. For crying out loud its only been 30 years now... and although it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever from an economic standpoint, well I am sure it will start working eventually.

Yah corporations are very corrupt and no longer function as they are supposed to. They are not truly public owned companies, but large piggy banks for the people at the top to plunder. The people in charge of the corporations often don't even care if the company succeeds, they make more via salary, bonuses, and perks than their shares are worth anyways. The backbone of capitalism, succeed or fail, is already gone from these organizations. The wealthy also use these corporations to control the government, and you get things like Bail outs with no stipulations passed, even when the majority of the country would rather they fail.

However, none of that even hints at suggesting that regulations increase the disparity btn the rich and poor. That is just flat out not true. Like I said before, pure capitalism leads to a handful of people with all the wealth. There is next to no chance of success in pure capitalism, unless you happen to be born in that 1% group. Though, tbh thats about the way things are today as well.
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29-02-2012, 08:22 PM
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(29-02-2012 12:59 PM)Luminon Wrote:  The economy can't be fixed. U.S. national debt will never be repaid, outsourced business will never return home, ultra-rich corporations will never pour their hoarded money back into the economy and the private company owning federal bank reserve will not give the ownership back to the govenrment.

I'd like to see some very radical changes in economy and politics, including crackdown on all the American financial industry and its private representatives. Locking down all stock exchanges and whole Wall Street. You know what. No economy can work, as long as the money are created out of nothing and other bad practices of market forces. Maybe a whole new currency, preferably money without debt, interest and inflation, owned and controlled by the government.

Debt isn't as big a problem as fear-mongers make it out to be. For one thing, you understand that debt growth doesn't necessarily outpace inflation, right? And that was actually true for many years until 2008... our debt was shrinking in terms of its value compared to the value of a dollar, despite the total amount of national debt rising. Plus, like any bank (since that's what our debt actually is, loans with interest) it's actually a good idea to have people depending on your economic stability... it keeps borrowers working in your own interest. Those who fear China taking advantage of us don't understand that China has a lot more to lose if we default on our debt.

We don't want to get buried in debt, but we don't have to live in fear of it, either. There's no good reason to hit the "reset button" and crash the economy on purpose. What you're proposing is socialism (after an intentional economical collapse), and there are many more problems with that then there are possible good outcomes from it.

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29-02-2012, 10:15 PM (This post was last modified: 29-02-2012 10:39 PM by satan69.)
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the major demise started when we went off the gold standard in 1971 and the federal reserve .we started the income tax in 1913. there is a wider gap between rich and poor because of inflation. you could buy a car for 3k back then and its now 18k. the value of your money has been going down. once the politicians could borrow and print as much as they wanted, when they knew there was no gold standard, we started a slow collapse. its now 40 years later and it's coming to an end. this economy WILL COLLAPSE in the next few years. this whole economy is built on a foundation of trillions of dollars of debt every year.take that away and we are done. they will borrow until the road ends.
you want to see jobs come back. get rid of the corporate tax and all payroll taxes. have a flat consumption tax of about 15% with credits for poor. cut spending to just defense and court system. the revs from the 15% should be enough to match the spending of a tiny government. close all depts.legalize drugs and end the drug war. you would see jobs return like it was the end of ww2. this country would BOOM!
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also, whats amazing about you idiots that complain about rich people. i have never been given a job by a poor person. you hate bill gates. he has created millions of jobs and tons of wealthy people in this country. rich people create the jobs idiots. trickle down economics doesnt work because its corrupt. chrysler goes bk in the 80's. we bail them out. they realize they dont have to provide a good product because the government will bail them out. they go bk again 20 years later. long term capital management; a hedge fund that goes broke in 1998. they get bailed out by the government because of their connections. banks realize they will get bailed out no matter what risks they take. true free market economics works, and is the best system that is available other than jesus waiving his magic wand. your telling me my life is better off because AIG and Goldman Sachs didnt go bk. hank paulsun was the ceo of sachs and bailed out all his friends, and let lehman go bk because he didnt like them and were competiion from the old days. unions have destroyed the educational system. there should be a free market there. show me a place where the government and unions run it, and i will show you corruption and incompetence. show me a place with little government involvement and free market economics and i will show you gretaness: computer industry, lasik surgery,wal mart, cosmetic surgery... the list goes on. Government intervention:public schools,post office, social security, medicaid, medicare, fannie freddie, home loans, interest rates...
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