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04-06-2014, 03:02 PM
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Yeah, a real fucking impartial, scholarly work, that:

"For further discussion of this topic, see my book, From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics, and Racism in Germany (2004)."

JEW, you are a fucking ASSHOLE.

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04-06-2014, 03:09 PM
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You cannot fight in "the name of evolution/atheism" because they are not a group or cult. You can convince people by force to adopt those ideas, but you can't "fight in the name" of it. However, you can fight in the name of a religion, because it is an actual group that is unified under a set of strict beliefs and not just an proved idea or lack of belief in a certain thing. Atheists do not follow a strict set of beliefs and all have different inferences on different topics concerning atheism. Atheists do not have a "holy bible" that contains all of their beliefs and rules.
Not that Hitler was an atheist, anyways.

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04-06-2014, 04:47 PM
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I use to post extensively on the subject.

I gatherd information from several books I read and the concensus is unanimus here in Germany that the origins of fascism lie within the clerical political right of the catholic church.

No wonder all this shit came out of places like Bavaria, Italy, Hungary, Croatia and Spain.

But I dont see how it would be worth the effort summerising all this here for some halfwit inbreed hillbilly.

And it amuses me to see these backwards foreign countryfolk inbreeds believing that they can explain fascism to a German.

Should someone be interested, I might open a thread showing the information and linking to all the books I read on the subject.

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06-06-2014, 03:23 PM
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(04-06-2014 07:25 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  This is some good material if anyone wants to read it.
https://www.csustan.edu/history/roots-hitlers-evil

The article you posted is written by Dr. Richard Weikart, a Professor of History at California State University. It is always wise to know the source of any information you read so here is a link to wikipedia for anyone who is interested.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Weikart

He is a senior fellow for the Center for Science and Culture at The Discovery Institute which is the spearhead of the Intelligent Design movement in The United States. They were the ones to appear before the supreme court of Pennsylvania advocating the side by side teaching of creationism and science as well as a "teach the controversy" campaign. The court ruled against the institute on the grounds that their proposal violated the Establishment Clause in the United States Constitution and that Intelligent Design is not any form of science. The court ruled that the goals of the Discovery Institute were "demonstrably religious", the evidence for which is found in the Discovery Institute's own manifesto "Wedge Strategy" which stated their main goal to "reverse the stifling dominance of the materialist worldview, and to replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions". The court referred to Intelligent Design as "merely a redressing of Creationism".

Dr. Weikart identifies as Christian himself and continues to associate himself with the Discovery Institute despite their failure and public humiliation. He has published several books, most notably "From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics and Racism in Germany" in which he attempts to link Darwin and Hitler by claiming Hitler's German National Socialist Party and its subsequent policies of atrocity were the result of Darwinism and Darwinian social thinking. It is impossible to not notice that the majority of the funding for the books publication came from none other than the discredited Discovery Institute and that the book is supported almost exclusively by Creationists and Intelligent Design supporters. The book is considered extremely controversial by the historical community and aroused considerable skepticism and criticism.

It was said publicly of the book,

by Robert Richards, a Historian at the University of Chicago "Hitler was not a Darwinian" and the book is "all a desperate tactic to undermine evolution". Also "There's not the slightest shred of evidence that Hitler read Darwin," and "Some of the biggest influences on Hitler's anti-Semitism were opposed to evolution, such as British writer Houston Stewart Chamberlain, whose racial theory became incorporated into Nazi doctrine."

by Gerwin Strobl, a historian at University of Cardiff " It reads like a mixture of a television voiceover and the worst kind of undergraduate essay"

Additional critics included Thomas Pegelow Kaplan Historian at Davidson College, Eric Kurlander Professor and Chair of History at Stetson University, and Larry Arnhart Professor of Political Science at Northern Illinois University, all of which can be read on the wikipedia page.

Considering the evidence, I do not consider Dr. Weikart to be a credible and unbiased authority. His ties to and/or membership of The Discovery Institute, the Intelligent Design Movement, and Evangelical Christianity are enough to prove that he has a religious, specifically Christian, agenda. Couple that evidence with the criticism of his secular colleagues and the lack of evidence of a link between Darwin and Hitler, and his whole premise falls apart.

To Jeremy Walker, The article was in fact "good material" if only as an example of very bad material with even worse sources. Don't post links if you don't expect people to actually follow them and do some quick internet research of their own. If you still think that Dr. Weikart's thesis is sound and that Christianity is superior morally when compared to materialism or secularism, I issue you a challenge. Name me an ethical action undertaken or statement made by a person of faith which it is not possible to be made by an unbeliever. Also, this is easier, can you name a wicked action or statement that could only be made or uttered by a person of faith?

I have read quite a number of your comments and your posts on this cite but I have yet to really see you stand your ground and answer questions that are forthcoming in a direct and clear manner. Even when you issue challenges or ask questions of your own you do not often see it through to the end, but quickly retreat to another thread or another topic. I am very serious when I say I issue you this challenge. I don't want bluster or slithering dodges of the question. Answer my challenge or be considered a coward. Do you have the courage of your convictions or not? Prove it.

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06-06-2014, 07:32 PM (This post was last modified: 06-06-2014 07:39 PM by Black Eagle.)
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(04-06-2014 07:25 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  This is some good material if anyone wants to read it.
https://www.csustan.edu/history/roots-hitlers-evil


Thanks for providing the link. I don't know anything about Hitler so I have no idea how accurate it is. My interest in Nazi Germany begins and ends with the Nuremberg Trials. I had a couple of friends who were prosecutors there [they are now long dead] and I've read some of the transcripts.
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06-06-2014, 09:18 PM
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(06-06-2014 07:32 PM)Black Eagle Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 07:25 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  This is some good material if anyone wants to read it.
https://www.csustan.edu/history/roots-hitlers-evil


Thanks for providing the link. I don't know anything about Hitler so I have no idea how accurate it is. My interest in Nazi Germany begins and ends with the Nuremberg Trials. I had a couple of friends who were prosecutors there [they are now long dead] and I've read some of the transcripts.

Don't read that link, BE, it's a huge steaming pile of revisionistn bullshit.

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07-06-2014, 12:44 AM
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O.K., I've got a whole pile of stuff to read that isn't revisionist bullshit anyway. Smile
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07-06-2014, 01:05 AM
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It’s a remarkable fact that much of the enormous wealth the Vatican owns today was originally obtained from taxpaying Italian and German citizens in the 1930’s and 40’s. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat, http://historyannex.com/20th-century-Eur...rds.html). People in those days often listened to priests, and were told how to vote. The Vatican got into bed with Mussolini and Hitler in deals that swapped cash for endorsement. This is one of the reasons the Vatican was loath to criticize Hitler. It’s been argued the Second World War may never have happened without the Vatican’s support for these fascist regimes.
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08-06-2014, 06:55 AM
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(07-06-2014 01:05 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  It’s a remarkable fact that much of the enormous wealth the Vatican owns today was originally obtained from taxpaying Italian and German citizens in the 1930’s and 40’s. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat, http://historyannex.com/20th-century-Eur...rds.html). People in those days often listened to priests, and were told how to vote. The Vatican got into bed with Mussolini and Hitler in deals that swapped cash for endorsement. This is one of the reasons the Vatican was loath to criticize Hitler. It’s been argued the Second World War may never have happened without the Vatican’s support for these fascist regimes.

I'd say "much of the enormous wealth" is an overstatement.

The RCC was wealthy beyond the dreams of avarice before that period.

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08-06-2014, 07:12 AM
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(08-06-2014 06:55 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(07-06-2014 01:05 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  It’s a remarkable fact that much of the enormous wealth the Vatican owns today was originally obtained from taxpaying Italian and German citizens in the 1930’s and 40’s. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat, http://historyannex.com/20th-century-Eur...rds.html). People in those days often listened to priests, and were told how to vote. The Vatican got into bed with Mussolini and Hitler in deals that swapped cash for endorsement. This is one of the reasons the Vatican was loath to criticize Hitler. It’s been argued the Second World War may never have happened without the Vatican’s support for these fascist regimes.

I'd say "much of the enormous wealth" is an overstatement.

The RCC was wealthy beyond the dreams of avarice before that period.

Yabut, the extra cash comes in handy if one enjoys the occasional self indulgence.

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