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29-03-2016, 04:28 PM
RE: Open Challenge: Reality may not exist without thoughts
I always like coming to this thread when I am eating my lunch. Very entertaining. I just read and eat. Today I am having quinoa pasta Wink
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29-03-2016, 04:54 PM
RE: Open Challenge: Reality may not exist without thoughts
(29-03-2016 04:28 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(28-03-2016 09:15 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  This is all I am saying:
"we cannot know what reality outside of perception looks like if we do not already know what reality outside of perception looks like"
It's the same thing as saying:
"we cannot know what the color blue looks like if we do not know what the color blue looks like"

A meaningless tautology. YOU did not know about reality, before your LEARNED how to integrate and associate perceptions and memories. You LEARNED to validate perceptions and integrate them. Then you did have a reasonable perception of reality. (Well most do). Your point is meaningless, obvious, and irrelevant. The LEARNING process in no way "creates" reality. You become aware of it BY LEARNING. It was always there. Facepalm
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I know it's obvious, but only to those who observe it.
The topic is meant for those that don't observe it, and if no such people exist then it is meaningless, but there are such people.

There are people that think when they are no longer capable of perceiving things in this world they will exist in another reality. They are called Theists.

The point I am making is this:
We have no reason to believe we will live on after death.
Aka
Reality does not exist if you are not able to perceive it.

Yes I know I have a controversial way of saying things. That's how I roll. Cool
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29-03-2016, 04:57 PM
RE: Open Challenge: Reality may not exist without thoughts
(29-03-2016 04:54 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  The point I am making is this:
We have no reason to believe we will live on after death.
Aka
Reality does not exist if you are not able to perceive it.

These two statements are not equivalent.

The point you are making is wrong.

"Owl," said Rabbit shortly, "you and I have brains. The others have fluff. If there is any thinking to be done in this Forest - and when I say thinking I mean thinking - you and I must do it."
- A. A. Milne, The House at Pooh Corner
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29-03-2016, 04:59 PM
RE: Open Challenge: Reality may not exist without thoughts
But it's all a non-sequitur, in this context. (And it's not really how you presented the topic).

Theists *do* believe they will live on after death, so the entire point is irrelevant and lost on them.

You're "preaching to the choir" (as they say).

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29-03-2016, 05:00 PM
RE: Open Challenge: Reality may not exist without thoughts
Have I already posted this interview with John Archibald Wildman Wheeler? If not I've been delinguent.

Does the Universe Exist if We're Not Looking?

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29-03-2016, 05:08 PM
RE: Open Challenge: Reality may not exist without thoughts
(29-03-2016 04:59 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  But it's all a non-sequitur, in this context. (And it's not really how you presented the topic).

Theists *do* believe they will live on after death, so the entire point is irrelevant and lost on them.

You're "preaching to the choir" (as they say).
I know but I still have hope.
I'm hoping one of them might interject, but you Atheists are hijacking my post.
That's what I get for posting on an Atheist forum I guess, but at least I don't get banned as often as I do on Theist forums.
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29-03-2016, 05:09 PM
RE: Open Challenge: Reality may not exist without thoughts
(29-03-2016 05:00 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Have I already posted this interview with John Archibald Wildman Wheeler? If not I've been delinguent.

Does the Universe Exist if We're Not Looking?
It's not exactly the same topic.
I'm not denying it's existence or even implying it's possible non existence in such an event.
I am denying that "I can ever know" given my lack of evidence "outside of perception"
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29-03-2016, 07:37 PM
RE: Open Challenge: Reality may not exist without thoughts
(29-03-2016 04:54 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  The point I am making is this:
We have no reason to believe we will live on after death.
There is NOTHING in your OP that sounds ANYTHING like the above even with the loosest usage of English. This is just bald faced revisionist bullshit.

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29-03-2016, 08:09 PM
RE: Open Challenge: Reality may not exist without thoughts
(29-03-2016 05:08 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(29-03-2016 04:59 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  But it's all a non-sequitur, in this context. (And it's not really how you presented the topic).

Theists *do* believe they will live on after death, so the entire point is irrelevant and lost on them.

You're "preaching to the choir" (as they say).
I know but I still have hope.
I'm hoping one of them might interject, but you Atheists are hijacking my post.
That's what I get for posting on an Atheist forum I guess, but at least I don't get banned as often as I do on Theist forums.

We've hijacked "your post" ? Really ? I see no contributor sign by your name.

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30-03-2016, 09:55 AM
RE: Open Challenge: Reality may not exist without thoughts
(29-03-2016 08:09 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(29-03-2016 05:08 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  I know but I still have hope.
I'm hoping one of them might interject, but you Atheists are hijacking my post.
That's what I get for posting on an Atheist forum I guess, but at least I don't get banned as often as I do on Theist forums.

We've hijacked "your post" ? Really ? I see no contributor sign by your name.
Do I get to kick you out of the thread if I spend some money? Consider
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