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07-09-2015, 01:54 PM
RE: Open Challenge to Anyone....
(07-09-2015 01:22 PM)Free Wrote:  Sorry Girly, but two identical objects plus two more identical objects equals four identical objects, and that would be a universal truth.

Why you qualify it with "identical"? If they are identical there is only one.
"... there cannot be several things exactly the same, for in that case there would not be several things, but the same thing itself." - Nicholas of Cusa.

More accurately, two different objects plus two more different objects means there are four different objects. There are no apples in Chas' illustration. Only 8 identical images of one apple.

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07-09-2015, 02:00 PM (This post was last modified: 07-09-2015 02:19 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Open Challenge to Anyone....
(07-09-2015 01:45 PM)Free Wrote:  
(07-09-2015 01:40 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  And I think you overestimate people. I think there are some here who don't even realize what "base 10" means. Still don't think Tommyboy understands how 2+2=10 or 2+2=11.

Theoretically, 2+2 can = anything.

But in whole numbers, it's 4.

You see this Chas? This is what I mean when you give people too much credit. Free has no fucking clue what a whole number is let alone realize that it is completely orthogonal, unrelated, and irrelevant to this discussion. I am so disappoint. "Terse and deadly" my ass old man. Tongue

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07-09-2015, 02:01 PM
RE: Open Challenge to Anyone....
(07-09-2015 01:54 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(07-09-2015 01:22 PM)Free Wrote:  Sorry Girly, but two identical objects plus two more identical objects equals four identical objects, and that would be a universal truth.

Why you qualify it with "identical"? If they are identical there is only one.
"... there cannot be several things exactly the same, for in that case there would not be several things, but the same thing itself." - Nicholas of Cusa.

More accurately, two different objects plus two more different objects means there are four different objects. There are no apples in Chas' illustration. Only 8 identical images of one apple.

Facepalm I had to go back and take a closer look, at first glance I thought they were tomatoes.Blink
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07-09-2015, 02:31 PM
RE: Open Challenge to Anyone....
(07-09-2015 02:00 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(07-09-2015 01:45 PM)Free Wrote:  Theoretically, 2+2 can = anything.

But in whole numbers, it's 4.

You see this Chas? This is what I mean when you give people too much credit. Free has no fucking clue what a whole number is let alone realize that it is completely orthogonal, unrelated, and irrelevant to this discussion. I am so disappoint. "Terse and deadly" my ass old man. Tongue


"In mathematics, the natural numbers (sometimes called the whole numbers)[1][2][3][4] are those used for counting (as in "there are six coins on the table") and ordering (as in "this is the third largest city in the country"). In common language, words used for counting are "cardinal numbers" and words used for ordering are "ordinal numbers".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_number


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07-09-2015, 02:40 PM
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(07-09-2015 02:31 PM)Free Wrote:  
(07-09-2015 02:00 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  You see this Chas? This is what I mean when you give people too much credit. Free has no fucking clue what a whole number is let alone realize that it is completely orthogonal, unrelated, and irrelevant to this discussion. I am so disappoint. "Terse and deadly" my ass old man. Tongue


"In mathematics, the natural numbers (sometimes called the whole numbers)[1][2][3][4] are those used for counting (as in "there are six coins on the table") and ordering (as in "this is the third largest city in the country"). In common language, words used for counting are "cardinal numbers" and words used for ordering are "ordinal numbers".

1, 2, 10, 11 are all whole numbers. 1+1=2, 1+1=10, 2+2=4, 2+2=10, and 2+2=11 are all true statements using nothing but whole numbers.

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07-09-2015, 02:42 PM
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(07-09-2015 01:40 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(07-09-2015 01:20 PM)Chas Wrote:  Most people do not mean the symbols are anything but language. And only their native base 10.

And I think you overestimate people. I think there are some here who don't even realize what "base 10" means. Still don't think Tommyboy understands how 2+2=10 or 2+2=11.

I don't think I was clear enough. Consider

People don't understand that mathematical notation is not the mathematics, that the symbol '2' is not the number.

They never even think about this because they don't know it, were never exposed to it, and some can't even understand it when it is explained.

I'm not overestimating them. No

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07-09-2015, 02:44 PM (This post was last modified: 07-09-2015 02:48 PM by GirlyMan.)
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(07-09-2015 02:42 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(07-09-2015 01:40 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  And I think you overestimate people. I think there are some here who don't even realize what "base 10" means. Still don't think Tommyboy understands how 2+2=10 or 2+2=11.

I don't think I was clear enough. Consider

People don't understand that mathematical notation is not the mathematics, that the symbol '2' is not the number.

They never even think about this because they don't know it, were never exposed to it, and some can't even understand it when it is explained.

I'm not overestimating them. No

Fair enough. .... old fart. Tongue

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07-09-2015, 02:46 PM (This post was last modified: 07-09-2015 02:50 PM by Free.)
RE: Open Challenge to Anyone....
(07-09-2015 02:40 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(07-09-2015 02:31 PM)Free Wrote:  "In mathematics, the natural numbers (sometimes called the whole numbers)[1][2][3][4] are those used for counting (as in "there are six coins on the table") and ordering (as in "this is the third largest city in the country"). In common language, words used for counting are "cardinal numbers" and words used for ordering are "ordinal numbers".

1, 2, 10, 11 are all whole numbers. 1+1=2, 1+1=10, 2+2=4, 2+2=10, and 2+2=11 are all true statements using nothing but whole numbers.

Are we not just a wee bit over thinking this? If you want to go all binary about it, well then fine.

But 1 + 1 = 2 in ordinary, every day, basic mathematics.

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07-09-2015, 02:50 PM
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(07-09-2015 02:46 PM)Free Wrote:  
(07-09-2015 02:40 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  1, 2, 10, 11 are all whole numbers. 1+1=2, 1+1=10, 2+2=4, 2+2=10, and 2+2=11 are all true statements using nothing but whole numbers.

Are we not just a wee bit over thinking this?

1 + 1 = 2 in ordinary, every day, basic mathematics.

Not to this computer scientist. The answer is 10.

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07-09-2015, 02:51 PM
RE: Open Challenge to Anyone....
(07-09-2015 02:50 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(07-09-2015 02:46 PM)Free Wrote:  Are we not just a wee bit over thinking this?

1 + 1 = 2 in ordinary, every day, basic mathematics.

Not to this computer scientist. The answer is 10.

I know.

You binary bastard.

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