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16-05-2014, 01:29 PM
RE: Opinions of Americans
wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait

There are other peoples BESIDES Americans?

What is this enigma you speak of? Murika is the one and only. Nothing exists outside of it.

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16-05-2014, 01:30 PM
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(16-05-2014 12:29 PM)Tatuks Wrote:  Anyway, the point is that I'm in a way a bit of an asshole that I test people the first time I meet them and see how sensitive they are to opposing world views or politically incorrect humour. I do this so I can see if a person is really open to free conversation in which you don't have to hold back.

So let's say that I meet a person and I can immediately start a conversation about religion, politics or just try get a reaction with a non pc joke. Some people understand what I'm trying to do and shut me off completely or engage the conversation and usually if we continue talking we realize we have quite matching ideas. Some people just get really offended or look at me like "Who the hell is this guy? Who invited him?"

Now, I have to say that Americans usually end up looking me like "Who invited this idiot?". I base this totally scientifically and empirically sound study on at least 20 encounters with Americans and talks with my friends from different European countries who have had the same issue with Americans, they get really easily offended or confused if someone brings up a controversial subject.

I really like American people, this is just a curious thing I've noticed over the years. What do you think?

And please don't think of me as some dude who annoys everyone at the party, as a salesman I have a quite good eye how to get along with everyone and very rarely piss anyone off or make mortal enemies Big Grin

Interesting observation. We do loathe salesmen as the worst kind of scum, right alongside politicians, so Anjele may be right... Consider

As someone who has live in California most of my life, this is just my perspective: I don't know how this is in the rest of the world, but I do know the US is deeply and bitterly divided on a large number of social and political issues. Abortion, belief in god, separation of church and state, conservatives vs liberals, gay marriage, race relations, social welfare programs, taxation rates, social/political/racial stereotypes, and more are at the least "controversial", but, worse, in many cases people don't even see them as controversial.... one side is clearly right and the other side is simply evil... end of story. If you live in this environment, you instinctively learn to stay away from anything even remotely close to touching on any of those topics unless you know the people very well and are very, very, very careful about it.
My guess is that even if the people you are addressing are open to it, you would still likely get a very cold reaction simply because it is incredibly rude and inconsiderate to everyone present and you just don't do it unless you want to be the asshole that opened a "right side vs evil side" argument in public company.

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16-05-2014, 01:33 PM
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(16-05-2014 01:29 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait

There are other peoples BESIDES Americans?

What is this enigma you speak of? Murika is the one and only. Nothing exists outside of it.

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16-05-2014, 01:42 PM
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(31-07-2014 04:37 PM)Luminon Wrote:  America is full of guns, but they're useless, because nobody has the courage to shoot an IRS agent in self-defense
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16-05-2014, 01:51 PM
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(16-05-2014 01:30 PM)djhall Wrote:  Interesting observation. We do loathe salesmen as the worst kind of scum, right alongside politicians, so Anjele may be right... Consider

As someone who has live in California most of my life, this is just my perspective: I don't know how this is in the rest of the world, but I do know the US is deeply and bitterly divided on a large number of social and political issues. Abortion, belief in god, separation of church and state, conservatives vs liberals, gay marriage, race relations, social welfare programs, taxation rates, social/political/racial stereotypes, and more are at the least "controversial", but, worse, in many cases people don't even see them as controversial.... one side is clearly right and the other side is simply evil... end of story. If you live in this environment, you instinctively learn to stay away from anything even remotely close to touching on any of those topics unless you know the people very well and are very, very, very careful about it.
My guess is that even if the people you are addressing are open to it, you would still likely get a very cold reaction simply because it is incredibly rude and inconsiderate to everyone present and you just don't do it unless you want to be the asshole that opened a "right side vs evil side" argument in public company.

Ok, I'm going to be the "Annoying Finnish bible salesman" from day one. Thumbsup But I have to say that I never bring up what I do so I believe it doesn't have an effect. I also have VERY different work and private personalities.

Anyway, very well said. Haven't really thought about it in that way. I guess the debate isn't so hot over here and I mostly have travelled the central and western Europe the opinions about gays, radical political views etc. are quite neutral when compared to, let's say, eastern Europe.

One joke to which Americans laugh almost every time is the:

- "Please don't make fun of holocaust or Jews, my grandfather died in Auschwitz"
- "Oh really? Sorry!"
- "Yeah, he shot himself while he was cleaning his rifle (or: Fell from guard tower when he was drunk on duty)."

Maybe it doesn't come so close to you so it's ok. Well, first foreigner who made that joke to me was Polish...
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16-05-2014, 02:07 PM
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(16-05-2014 01:21 PM)War Horse Wrote:  
(16-05-2014 01:01 PM)DLJ Wrote:  Someone is getting very cynical in their old age. Dodgy

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(16-05-2014 01:51 PM)Tatuks Wrote:  ...
- "Please don't make fun of holocaust or Jews, my grandfather died in Auschwitz"
- "Oh really? Sorry!"
- "Yeah, he shot himself while he was cleaning his rifle (or: Fell from guard tower when he was drunk on duty)."

Maybe it doesn't come so close to you so it's ok. Well, first foreigner who made that joke to me was Polish...

And I heard that first from a Jewish relative which was kinda weird and funny at the same time. Blink

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16-05-2014, 02:07 PM (This post was last modified: 16-05-2014 02:12 PM by Stevil.)
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(16-05-2014 05:43 AM)Cathym112 Wrote:  Hey foreign forum members,

Have you been to the US? What mannerisms or cultural nuances stuck out to you? What had you scratching your head?

I once had a foreign exchange student that lived with us. She hated our bread. She said it tasted like cake.

Does our bread really taste like cake? If our bread tastes like cake, what does our cake taste like?
I haven't been to USA, but my impression is this.
Some USA people are very patriotic, they fly the flag, pledge allegiance etc.
They seem to play sports with themselves more than with the rest of the world e.g. baseball, gridiron, basket ball.
They are passionate and divided with regards to guns, abortion, republican vs democrat, rights, commercialism.
For a third world democratic country they are unusually highly religious.
They pander to the majority hence tv shows and movies tend to be very formulaic and dumbed down.
They tend to get involved in the affairs of other countries too much, and make too many enemies.

They spell English words funny.

Professional sports in university (college) seems weird.
Elitist (expensive) universities seems a way to keep the poor poor and the rich rich.
Lack of free health care seems absurd.
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16-05-2014, 02:11 PM
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(16-05-2014 02:07 PM)Stevil Wrote:  ...
For a third world democratic country they are unusually highly religious.
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16-05-2014, 02:31 PM
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16-05-2014, 02:31 PM
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(16-05-2014 02:07 PM)DLJ Wrote:  
(16-05-2014 01:21 PM)War Horse Wrote:  I could take a minute to kick your ass.... Laugh out load .... oops, I mean Angry

And I could take less than a minute to de-rep you. Drinking Beverage

What a sour puss... you gonna let a little ass kicking get in the way of a beautiful relationship? Big Grin

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