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29-05-2016, 08:36 AM (This post was last modified: 29-05-2016 01:51 PM by Slowminded.)
RE: Opinions on the proposed US $15 Min. Wage
(29-05-2016 02:24 AM)Vosur Wrote:  
(28-05-2016 06:38 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  But I also think that anybody working a standard work week (35-40 hours) should be able to support themselves and one or two kids without the need of government aid.
Themselves? Absolutely. One or two kids? That's really stretching it. Nobody forced these people to have kids when they knew they weren't able to care for them financially.

That caught my eye too.

It seems unrealistic to expect that 35-40 hours per week of unskilled labor is enough to support 2 or 3 people and , don't forget this, to make some profit for the employer.

Edit: Deleted part of the text , needs a bit more thought.

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29-05-2016, 09:10 AM
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As an outsider, it seems to me like the USA has went too much in the direction of laissez-faire economy, leading to income and wealth gaps growing ever larger. According to an article in Fortune: http://fortune.com/2015/09/30/america-we...nequality/ the USA has the highest Gini coefficient (measuring wealth inequality) in the world with 80.56. Taking steps to decrease this need to start with education, by allowing poorer children to break out of poverty through getting college and university degrees. One only needs to look at Finland to see how large of an impact education has on a country's wealth - not to mention it comes with the lovely side effect of less religious nutjobs running around without a straitjacket.
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29-05-2016, 06:58 PM (This post was last modified: 29-05-2016 07:02 PM by earmuffs.)
RE: Opinions on the proposed US $15 Min. Wage
(29-05-2016 02:24 AM)Vosur Wrote:  
(28-05-2016 06:38 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  But I also think that anybody working a standard work week (35-40 hours) should be able to support themselves and one or two kids without the need of government aid.
Themselves? Absolutely. One or two kids? That's really stretching it. Nobody forced these people to have kids when they knew they weren't able to care for them financially.

I don't see this as unreasonable.
I'm not saying life will be easy but the bare essentials should be covered with a 40 hour week for 1 adult, 2 kids at the least. If not 2 adults and 1 kid.

Are you saying people that don't meet a certain IQ level or have been through rough times or whatever have ended up in a minimum wage job do not have the right to have children? What about people that lose their good jobs that have to work a minimum wage job for a while because job opportunities are low.

Quote:It seems unrealistic to expect that 35-40 hours per week of unskilled labor is enough to support 2 or 3 people and , don't forget this, to make some profit for the employer.

That attitude is exactly why the US is in this predicament.
How's that working out for you?

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29-05-2016, 09:38 PM
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(28-05-2016 06:38 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  If your argument to employees is “you can always quit” than you’re an idiot and need to spend some time working at a place like Wal Mart.

You must think you’re the only one who’s ever had it hard.
I hate to have to break this to you but life isn’t fair and no one owes you a living.

(28-05-2016 06:38 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  But I also think that anybody working a standard work week (35-40 hours) should be able to support themselves and one or two kids without the need of government aid. That is not about entitlement, that is about human decency... An incremental increase in the minimum wage to a “living wage” is a good start.

I think that the minimum wage should keep pace with inflation and I think it is currently too low by about $2/hr.

There will always be people that need government assistance, whether because of bad breaks, poor choices, work ethic or whatever. Some of these people will always need assistance and some will break the cycle. At one point in my life I got unemployment benefits so I know what it feels like to ask for help.

But what you are implying is that people should be paid a wage beyond their capacity to produce, a Marxist idea.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.” ~ Louis Blanc, popularized by Karl Marx.

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29-05-2016, 10:04 PM
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This reminds me of my brother's many stories of his trips to India and thèir caste system. Smile

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29-05-2016, 10:17 PM
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(29-05-2016 06:58 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  
(29-05-2016 02:24 AM)Vosur Wrote:  Themselves? Absolutely. One or two kids? That's really stretching it. Nobody forced these people to have kids when they knew they weren't able to care for them financially.

I don't see this as unreasonable.
I'm not saying life will be easy but the bare essentials should be covered with a 40 hour week for 1 adult, 2 kids at the least. If not 2 adults and 1 kid.

Are you saying people that don't meet a certain IQ level or have been through rough times or whatever have ended up in a minimum wage job do not have the right to have children? What about people that lose their good jobs that have to work a minimum wage job for a while because job opportunities are low.

Quote:It seems unrealistic to expect that 35-40 hours per week of unskilled labor is enough to support 2 or 3 people and , don't forget this, to make some profit for the employer.

That attitude is exactly why the US is in this predicament.
How's that working out for you?

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29-05-2016, 10:41 PM
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(29-05-2016 10:17 PM)Fireball Wrote:  Huh Vosur is a German.

Vosur isn’t just any German.

Er ist unser Grammatik Nazi.

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29-05-2016, 11:50 PM
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(29-05-2016 06:58 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Are you saying people that don't meet a certain IQ level or have been through rough times or whatever have ended up in a minimum wage job do not have the right to have children?
A German being in favor of eugenics? That couldn't possibly be the case... Angel

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30-05-2016, 12:01 AM
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(29-05-2016 10:41 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(29-05-2016 10:17 PM)Fireball Wrote:  Huh Vosur is a German.

Vosur isn’t just any German.

Er ist unser Grammatik Nazi.

Interpol has him listed as a Jew.

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30-05-2016, 02:45 AM
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(29-05-2016 06:58 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  
Quote:It seems unrealistic to expect that 35-40 hours per week of unskilled labor is enough to support 2 or 3 people and , don't forget this, to make some profit for the employer.

That attitude is exactly why the US is in this predicament.
How's that working out for you?
It`s working out fine for me bruv, I make about 6 times the minimum wage.

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