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27-05-2016, 08:24 PM
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I think it should be based on the cost of living in the geographical area. $7.25/hour in Podunk could provide an adequate income for the bare necessities of food and housing. In Brooklyn $15/hour ain't enough to even get you off the streets and out of the shelters.

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27-05-2016, 08:45 PM
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(27-05-2016 08:24 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  I think it should be based on the cost of living in the geographical area. $7.25/hour in Podunk could provide an adequate income for the bare necessities of food and housing. In Brooklyn $15/hour ain't enough to even get you off the streets and out of the shelters.

If that's the case then shouldn't the states make their own minimum wage standards?
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27-05-2016, 08:49 PM
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(27-05-2016 08:45 PM)KUSA Wrote:  
(27-05-2016 08:24 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  I think it should be based on the cost of living in the geographical area. $7.25/hour in Podunk could provide an adequate income for the bare necessities of food and housing. In Brooklyn $15/hour ain't enough to even get you off the streets and out of the shelters.

If that's the case then shouldn't the states make their own minimum wage standards?

And the issue with that is that certain "southern" states are fucking retarded and left to their own devises would have low as tits minimum wage compared to the rest of the country.

Plus I'm not sure, someone will have to correct me, but I suspect it would be easier for corporations like Wal Mart to lobby down the minimum wage at the state level compared to if the federal government did it.

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27-05-2016, 08:54 PM
Opinions on the proposed US $15 Min. Wage
The Feds should make it $10 and the states could add to it as needed.
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28-05-2016, 06:35 AM
RE: Opinions on the proposed US $15 Min. Wage
Perhaps southern states don't NEED high minimums. Southern states have lower cost of living, $8/hour can get you somewhere if you live there.

Why don't I think $15 is feasible for all businesses? Because I worked for a small business and did their bookkeeping, it was not realistic for them to pay that much. Not to mention simple math for other businesses. My first job ever was in an industrial plant in Podunk MO. They had about 600 employees at one plant working in three shifts making an average of $8/hour back when the minimum was $6-something. If they had to pay $15 that's an extra $33,000 PER DAY. They're not going to absorb that, they're going to cut jobs and automate. Then you have the issue of unemployment from all the industrial workers who are no longer needed because it is cheaper for the company to have a machine do the job.

What WOULD help those workers is the ability to organize. The company agressively went after people who wanted to unionize.
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28-05-2016, 06:45 AM
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They can't legally stop you from trying to unionize. I know it happens, but it's against the law.

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28-05-2016, 08:09 AM (This post was last modified: 28-05-2016 05:07 PM by Full Circle.)
RE: Opinions on the proposed US $15 Min. Wage
(27-05-2016 08:18 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  I think it's something businesses say because they don't wanna pay employees more.

Why don’t all employers want to pay employees more do you think? Is it because they are mean and nasty? Uncaring? That’s how it comes across when you say things like the quote above. Maybe I misunderstand.

Maybe you mean they don’t want to pay employees more because they want to keep more in their pockets? And this is bad why? Is this not the reason people go into business? If there isn’t a profit incentive to be in business we might as well have communism.

Business 101: Supply & Demand.
Business 101: Keep your employer happy and your value goes up.
Businees 101: Keep your employees happy and you get more production and less turn over.
Business 101: Employer - if you don’t make a profit there’s no point in being in business. The goal is to make as much money as possible (within certain parameters such as legalities).
Business 101: Employee =/= slave. Employees can vote with their feet. This can mean going to work for another employer or starting your very own company where you can be the Big Cheese and hire employees, pay them double the going rate if you want.

Ask yourself why would an employer pay more that the going rate?
Why would an employee accept less?

If tomorrow the minimum wage was hiked up to $15/hr or $150/hr do you think all else remains static or will their be a “cause and effect” reaction?

The reality is that the price of goods and services would immediately go up. That hand lotion cream you’re so fond of might double in price. It does no one any good if you double your pay but things cost twice as much. Unless you can legislate inflation away a stratospheric minimum wage hike across the board like the one being proposed would cause every business to proportionately increase what they charge for their products to pay for the added cost.

What you would like to see is more money in your pocket while prices remain static but businesses and the economy don’t work that way.

Based on the historical info I provided earlier why is it that the minimum wage earner of today thinks they are entitled to more buying power than the minimum wage earner of yesterday? I know they want more, everyone wants more.

There needs to be a balance and only when both sides are at an equilibrium can there be a win-win scenario.
Yes some employers abuse their employees just as some employees sand bag their employers. There will always be assholes in either camp but there are solutions. You can quit, or they can fire you. Supply and demand.

Have at it.


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28-05-2016, 06:38 PM
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Quote:Why don’t all employers want to pay employees more do you think? Is it because they are mean and nasty? Uncaring? That’s how it comes across when you say things like the quote above. Maybe I misunderstand.

They can be mean and uncaring. They can also care about their employees. Though in my experience minimum wage jobs for the vast majority do not care because the employees work no-skill jobs that can easily be replaced by someone else very easily and quickly. Generally companies that care don't pay their employees minimum wage.
Ultimately all businesses are about money so the incentive is to not pay their employees double.

Quote:Maybe you mean they don’t want to pay employees more because they want to keep more in their pockets? And this is bad why?

I never said it was bad. Don't straw man my words.

Quote:Employee =/= slave. Employees can vote with their feet.

That's stupid. Quiting is not always an option. Especially in the States where your welfare system is shit. And do you know how hard it can be to find a job, especially for a no-skill employee?
We're talking minimum wage jobs here. These people are poor. They're not always the best educated and often have families to support.
If your argument to employees is "you can always quit" than you're an idiot and need to spend some time working at a place like Wal Mart.

Quote:If tomorrow the minimum wage was hiked up to $15/hr or $150/hr do you think all else remains static or will their be a “cause and effect” reaction?

Except it's not going up overnight. It is proposed to go up incrementally over time.

Quote:The reality is that the price of goods and services would immediately go up. That hand lotion cream you’re so fond of might double in price. It does no one any good if you double your pay but things cost twice as much. Unless you can legislate inflation away a stratospheric minimum wage hike across the board like the one being proposed would cause every business to proportionately increase what they charge for their products to pay for the added cost.

That's not how it works. Double minimum wage =/= double goods cost.

Quote:What you would like to see is more money in your pocket while prices remain static but businesses and the economy don’t work that way.

I never said it did.

Quote:Based on the historical info I provided earlier why is it that the minimum wage earner of today thinks they are entitled to more buying power than the minimum wage earner of yesterday?

It's not about entitlement. I personally think most minimum wage employees feel this way, that they entitled just because they popped out their mothers birthing canal. But I also think that anybody working a standard work week (35-40 hours) should be able to support themselves and one or two kids without the need of government aid. That is not about entitlement, that is about human decency and the fact we're suppose to live in first world countries that pride themselves on freedom and shit. When you have people working 40 hour weeks and needing government foodstamps because they can't afford food that week you're in desperate need of a change in the system. An incremental increase in the minimum wage to a "living wage" is a good start.


You wanna talk about "business 101"?
By making the working class suffer you're basically making the working class subsidize shit businesses. The working class gets poorer because they accept lower wages because businesses can't afford more. If you can't afford more as buying power goes up than you're businesses is a bad businesses and should fail.
That's how businesses works in a capitalist economy. Some succeed, others fail.

I'm pro business. I want to start my own business. But I'm anti-subsides.
If you're business is failing it should not be constantly propped up by subsides in order to survive. It should be allowed to fail. And a minimum wage so bad that people can't afford to live is a subside.

Quote:There needs to be a balance and only when both sides are at an equilibrium can there be a win-win scenario.

I agree. And at the moment that equilibrium is not reached. Not in the states, not by a long shot.

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28-05-2016, 07:22 PM (This post was last modified: 28-05-2016 07:27 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Opinions on the proposed US $15 Min. Wage
(27-05-2016 08:45 PM)KUSA Wrote:  
(27-05-2016 08:24 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  I think it should be based on the cost of living in the geographical area. $7.25/hour in Podunk could provide an adequate income for the bare necessities of food and housing. In Brooklyn $15/hour ain't enough to even get you off the streets and out of the shelters.

If that's the case then shouldn't the states make their own minimum wage standards?

Problem with that is the Brownbacks would eliminate it all together claiming it will bring more business to Kansas. Just as he said lowering corporate and income taxes would bring huuuuge jobs to his state. Ain't gonna happen. He's an idiot doing what the Koch brothers say.You want to see the consequences of unregulated and unfettered capitalism you should start with Kansas. They're gonna go bankrupt and Colorado is going to buy them up at a discount and turn the entire State into a massive agricultural research center where they will test different strains.

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29-05-2016, 02:24 AM
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(28-05-2016 06:38 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  But I also think that anybody working a standard work week (35-40 hours) should be able to support themselves and one or two kids without the need of government aid.
Themselves? Absolutely. One or two kids? That's really stretching it. Nobody forced these people to have kids when they knew they weren't able to care for them financially.

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