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30-08-2015, 02:59 PM
RE: Oppressive Secular Laws
(30-08-2015 02:45 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(30-08-2015 02:29 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  I do. Hit it on my first google search.

http://www.msnbc.com/the-reid-report/the...cops-chant

This is another example of what I was talking about -- fringe extremists doing things that Alla then blames the whole movement for, rather than a few nutjobs. It's just like how all Christians bomb abortion clinics.

.... oh, wait, that DOESN'T happen. Hmmm. Let me think about this. Consider
Millions of people believe lies of the leaders of Black Lives Matter.
It is enough to send just a small group to poison minds of black "sweet and normal boys".
It is enough to send a few to anger mob. Mob doesn't care about the truth. Mob wants destruction and blood and entertainment.
I blame Obama for not sending strong message. He is horrible leader. He didn't unify this country. He is Great Divider.
Race relationship are worse under Obama.
Majority of the people do NOT believe in this white supremacy CRAP.
Majority of the people(white supremacy) elected Obama twice.

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30-08-2015, 03:01 PM
RE: Oppressive Secular Laws
(30-08-2015 02:36 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(30-08-2015 02:10 PM)unfogged Wrote:  Kill a tree for not producing fruit out of season?
Jesus didn't kill the tree for not producing fruit out of the season.
Jesus was using that tree as a symbol to teach about importance of good works.
But atheist who has no gift of the Holly Ghost can NOT see/understand this.
(30-08-2015 02:10 PM)unfogged Wrote:  Make a whip to attack people conducting business that you don't like?
An atheist who has no gift of the Holy Ghost will never see/understand that those who were making money in the Temple were making what is not permitted to do in God's House. Jesus was CLEANING God's House which is Holy Ground.
(30-08-2015 02:10 PM)unfogged Wrote:  Hate your family?
An atheist who has no gift of the Holy Ghost will never see/understand what Jesus meant. Jesus was teaching to love all people even enemies.
SYMBOLISM of "hating family" is this - if family members tell you to hate Jesus or to do things that are not according with the Gospel standards you should say "no" to them and you should follow Jesus.(His commandments)
(30-08-2015 02:10 PM)unfogged Wrote:  Not plan for the future?
Again, an atheist who has no gift of the Holy Ghost will never understand these words of Jesus. Jesus was teaching to do all we can and what depends on us but he also was teaching that we can not plan what does NOT depend on us. And when there is nothing we can do, we can depend on God. What we can not plan He will plan for us.
(30-08-2015 02:10 PM)unfogged Wrote:  Steal?
False, Jesus didn't teach to steal.
(30-08-2015 02:10 PM)unfogged Wrote:  Some of the teachings attributed to Jesus are fine, even good. Some are not so good, even despicable. Following any ideology blindly is bad.
You just do NOT understand His teaching. Atheist doesn't have to understand words of Christ.
(30-08-2015 02:10 PM)unfogged Wrote:  Then again, I wouldn't expect anybody with your apparently limited critical thinking skills to understand nuance.
sure, smart pants. Big Grin

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30-08-2015, 03:02 PM
RE: Oppressive Secular Laws
(30-08-2015 02:36 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(30-08-2015 02:10 PM)unfogged Wrote:  Kill a tree for not producing fruit out of season?
Jesus didn't kill the tree for not producing fruit out of the season.
Jesus was using that tree as a symbol to teach about importance of good works.
But atheist who has no gift of the Holly Ghost can NOT see/understand this.

Actually it was a parable to illustrate that the time of the temple system was over but you asked about liking how he teaches to act. I would have to assume that such a wise teacher would know to lead by example and this was one of the examples. If something isn't doing what you want, kill it.

The fact that theists can twist stories that are plainly vile into something better is to their credit. They see that the advice being given is bad but are too blinded by faith to see that there is no reason to accept it in the first place.

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(30-08-2015 02:10 PM)unfogged Wrote:  Make a whip to attack people conducting business that you don't like?
An atheist who has no gift of the Holy Ghost will never see/understand that those who were making money in the Temple were making what is not permitted to do in God's House. Jesus was CLEANING God's House which is Holy Ground.

The bible specifically orders people living too far from the temple to convert their offerings to money so that idea is not unholy. At the time you had roman currency in general use which would not have been acceptable in the temple so the moneychangers were performing a necessary service to allow the Jews to fulfill their obligations. In order to make this fit with the idea that the temple was no longer needed (because it had been destroyed and they needed to find an excuse for that) they concocted this whole nonsense story. The bit about the whip was just a nice addition because these were basically pretty barbaric people.

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(30-08-2015 02:10 PM)unfogged Wrote:  Hate your family?
An atheist who has no gift of the Holy Ghost will never see/understand what Jesus meant. Jesus was teaching to love all people even enemies.
SYMBOLISM of "hating family" is this - if family members tell you to hate Jesus or to do things that are not according with the Gospel standards you should say "no" to them and you should follow Jesus.(His commandments)

No matter how you spin it, telling people to be willing to turn on their families is not a sign of love. He could have preached tolerance and persuasion and leading by example but instead chose to order his followers to cut ties to anybody that doesn't agree. That is what a cult leader does. That isn't love but, again, you are too blinded by faith and must make this fit your paradigm no matter how badly you have to twist it.

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(30-08-2015 02:10 PM)unfogged Wrote:  Not plan for the future?
Again, an atheist who has no gift of the Holy Ghost will never understand these words of Jesus. Jesus was teaching to do all we can and what depends on us but he also was teaching that we can not plan what does NOT depend on us. And when there is nothing we can do, we can depend on God. What we can not plan He will plan for us.

Nice, except that not what he says. There's also the matter of there being no evidence of any plan or support in times of need from any god.

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(30-08-2015 02:10 PM)unfogged Wrote:  Steal?
False, Jesus didn't teach to steal.

Luke 19
He needed something to ride so he told his disciples to steal a donkey.

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(30-08-2015 02:10 PM)unfogged Wrote:  Some of the teachings attributed to Jesus are fine, even good. Some are not so good, even despicable. Following any ideology blindly is bad.
You just do NOT understand His teaching. Atheist doesn't have to understand words of Christ.

The trouble is that I DO understand and I look at it for what it is, not for what I've been told to see. "There are none so blind" and all that.

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(30-08-2015 02:10 PM)unfogged Wrote:  Then again, I wouldn't expect anybody with your apparently limited critical thinking skills to understand nuance.
sure, smart pants. Big Grin

Ooh, you got me there.

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30-08-2015, 03:16 PM
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(30-08-2015 02:45 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(30-08-2015 02:29 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  I do. Hit it on my first google search.

http://www.msnbc.com/the-reid-report/the...cops-chant

This is another example of what I was talking about -- fringe extremists doing things that Alla then blames the whole movement for, rather than a few nutjobs. It's just like how all Christians bomb abortion clinics.

.... oh, wait, that DOESN'T happen. Hmmm. Let me think about this. Consider
Millions of people believe lies of the leaders of Black Lives Matter.
It is enough to send just a small group to poison minds of black "sweet and normal boys".
It is enough to send a few to anger mob. Mob doesn't care about the truth. Mob wants destruction and blood and entertainment.
I blame Obama for not sending strong message. He is horrible leader. He didn't unify this country. He is Great Divider.
Race relationship are worse under Obama.
Majority of the people do NOT believe in this white supremacy CRAP.
Majority of the people(white supremacy) elected Obama twice.

.... you know, if you're not actually going to reply to anything I actually wrote there, there's no point quoting me. But at least you've dropped the nonsense about Black Lives Matter as a whole being responsible for or represented by the dead cops chant. That's progress. Small, minuscule progress, to be sure. But progress. If we keep it up we might have the crap cleared out of your head in the decade... assuming no more crap gets in there. So it's probably a lost cause. But I'll give it the old college try.

Okay, let's focus on one point you advanced: Obama not unifying the country. Given how Congress Republicans were already promising to block Obama at every turn, and how right wing media was already turning people against him, BEFORE HE EVER GOT INTO OFFICE, it's hardly fair to lay all or even most of the blame for a divided country at his feet, now is it? Let's start with the NRA brazenly manufacturing fictions about Obama's intent to take away guns, when Obama has been extremely moderate on gun control and to the right of a majority of the country as measured by polls. Consider also the hysterical cries of "death panels" by right wing media when anyone who actually read the legislation knew it to be blatant lies. The frenzy with which right-wing politicians and media kept the attack on the Benghazi consulate on the front page for years as some huge left-wing conspiracy, when even under the most damning interpretation of the facts the administration was guilty of at most dismissing warning signs and being a bit confused about the facts of the attack for a few days after. Or -- on the RELIGIOUS front, oi! First he catches flak for being a member of a not-so-PC church, which he quits. Then people accuse him of being a secret Muslim. Also they're calling him an atheist. I guess Atheist/Muslim/Wrong-type-of-Christian is a thing? (No, no it is not, but the right is so in love with its own attack mentality that anything vehement passes their bullshit sensors without ever getting fact-checked.) Oh, and there were the accusations that he wasn't born in the US, that right wing media and politicians seized upon, despite him actually having provided documentation of his citizenship to the government, on the basis of NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER save a Photoshopped birth certificate that was quickly demonstrated to be a fraud.

So... is Obama really, truly, the one entirely to blame for a divided country? Surely the right wing deserves some crumb of responsibility to go with the power they've wielded to turn their people against liberals, does it not? Or is the blame entirely on the liberals, because it's their fault for being someone who the right hates in the first place?

If I blame Obama for anything on this subject, it's for attempting to be too conciliatory and not punching back.
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30-08-2015, 03:23 PM
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Also, it's amusing to juxtapose a few quotes here. Bold emphasis mine.

(30-08-2015 01:55 PM)Alla Wrote:  Then this evil and racist organization(leaders)

(30-08-2015 02:49 PM)Alla Wrote:  Jesus said not to judge.

(30-08-2015 01:55 PM)Alla Wrote:   Evil RICH CAPITALIST and hypocrite Soros(who preaches socialism) pays for this.

(30-08-2015 02:49 PM)Alla Wrote:  Jesus said not to judge.

(30-08-2015 01:55 PM)Alla Wrote:  Evil will be stopped. Majority of the people on the side of the good men

(30-08-2015 02:49 PM)Alla Wrote:  Jesus said not to judge.

.... so, uh, if you're not rendering judgements here about who's good and evil...
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30-08-2015, 03:27 PM
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(30-08-2015 02:42 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(30-08-2015 02:23 PM)Alla Wrote:  About Soros is hearsay for now. hearsay which I strongly believe.
You'll have to do better than that. Would you condemn a man based on hearsay?
I do not condemn the man. I share my opinion. I say that I believe what is said about him. My opinion can be wrong.
(30-08-2015 02:42 PM)morondog Wrote:  If you want to tell people what's really going on ™ then you might want to do some actual journalism, instead of repeating stuff without backing it up. You know, proper journalists (who are becoming fewer in number all the time) take the time to research *both* sides of a debate, for example, by listening to what the Black Lives Matter movement spokespeople say too.
I agree with you. But I am sharing my opinion. I do NOT claim that my opinions are 100% true. Opinions can be wrong. If I am wrong and I have proof I will be the first one who will say: I was wrong.
If I claimed things and said that they are true (without having proof) it would be wrong.
(30-08-2015 02:42 PM)morondog Wrote:  The movement clearly exists for a reason. There is a problem there which needs to be addressed. Simply painting them all as criminals and low-lifes does nothing to help with the underlying reasons for the existence of the movement.
I do not paint all people who protest against cops as criminals. I even said that many are ignorant and they still believe this lie "hands up, don't shoot". They still believe that Brown was innocent and Wilson shot him in his back while Brown had his hands up. Did you hear leaders of Black Lives Matter to apologize to the officer Wilson for destroying his life? Do you hear them explaining that it was Brown's fault that he attacked police officer? Obama's DOJ cleared officer Wilson. His testimony was true.
Do you hear them teaching black youth to respect police and not to attack them?
(30-08-2015 02:42 PM)morondog Wrote:  What precisely are the policies you disagree with and why?
May be we can talk about it next time. All I know that because of the liberal policies cops are afraid to do their job(ACCORDING to their words).
If cops kill black criminal who resists arrest liberal authorities will indict them.
(30-08-2015 02:42 PM)morondog Wrote:  I agree that cops shouldn't be afraid to do their job and bad cops should be brought to book. How will we achieve these objectives? By simply insisting that the status quo is the best of all possible worlds, or by actively finding ways to make sure (e.g. personal cameras) that cops are held accountable?
Personal cameras on cops is great idea.
Young black man(because we talk about Black Lives matter) and ALL people have to know that resisting arrest is always a bad idea. Cops are humans who risk their lives every day can make mistakes, horrible mistakes. Nobody wants another dead black man or white man or any man.
Because in poor areas young men do lots of crimes it will be more cops. Criminals do not respect cops, they hate cops. We can have this horrible incidents like with Mike Brown. By the way I believe that he was sweet boy. Sweet but misguided.
Young men has to be taught to respect authorities. Many of them don't have fathers because their fathers also are criminals in jails.
Schools are horrible. Lack of jobs. Look at many celebrities. What do they teach young boys and girls while they are still sweet and innocent?
they sing about sex, drugs, hating cops, disrespecting women, violance. Young boys and girls in poor areas look up for them. They want to do wrong things. It is sad reality.
But to blame cops and say they are racist is wrong and false.
To talk about white supremacy in the USA in 21st century when we elected black president twice is a wrong

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30-08-2015, 03:27 PM
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(30-08-2015 02:49 PM)Alla Wrote:  so, please do not judge me - what kind of Christian I am. Jesus said not to judge.
do not preach to me YOUR morality. I do NOT preach to you MY morality.

I respect you for your faith Alla. It is genuine. But your politics are seriously fucked up and in conflict with your faith.

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30-08-2015, 03:51 PM
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(30-08-2015 03:16 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  Okay, let's focus on one point you advanced: Obama not unifying the country. Given how Congress Republicans were already promising to block Obama at every turn, and how right wing media was already turning people against him, BEFORE HE EVER GOT INTO OFFICE, it's hardly fair to lay all or even most of the blame for a divided country at his feet, now is it?
Yes, they block him on many issues. But Obama doesn't have only his phone and his pen he has the microphone.
He likes to talk a lot. He is great at giving speeches. He could use his microphone to give speeches that would inspire all people and not only liberals or Democrats.
By sending his people to the funeral of Mike Brown(which is fine with me) and not saying a word about innocence of officer Wilson sends wrong message. It divides people.
(30-08-2015 03:16 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  Let's start with the NRA brazenly manufacturing fictions about Obama's intent to take away guns, when Obama has been extremely moderate on gun control and to the right of a majority of the country as measured by polls. Consider also the hysterical cries of "death panels" by right wing media when anyone who actually read the legislation knew it to be blatant lies.
We already have gun control laws. Every time something happens(like mass shooting) Obama talks about more gun control laws.
Gun control laws will NOT stop evil or sick person.
(30-08-2015 03:16 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  The frenzy with which right-wing politicians and media kept the attack on the Benghazi consulate on the front page for years as some huge left-wing conspiracy, when even under the most damning interpretation of the facts the administration was guilty of at most dismissing warning signs and being a bit confused about the facts of the attack for a few days after.
Look, Obama talked about video, Hillary talked about video. Video was a lie.
But what does it have to do with Obama being a big Divider?
Yes, Republicans and Democrats attack each other. Both parties care about power and not the people. But Obama has his microphone. He could give us inspiring speeches. They were inspiring but only to his liberal audience.
(30-08-2015 03:16 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  So... is Obama really, truly, the one entirely to blame for a divided country?
Of course, not. But he could inspire people to feel more united. He didn't do this.
Republicans attacked him he attacked republicans. He didn't want to compromise.
But this is all politics as usual. He didn't find a way to work with those horrible republicans. Other presidents could.
(30-08-2015 03:16 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  Surely the right wing deserves some crumb of responsibility to go with the power they've wielded to turn their people against liberals, does it not? Or is the blame entirely on the liberals, because it's their fault for being someone who the right hates in the first place?
Both sides are at fault. I do not blame President Obama for everything. But I think he disappointed a lot of people both liberals and conservatives.
P.S.
I believe that there are many problems in poor black/minority communities. But racist cops is not one of them. There are very few bad cops. To blame cops is wrong and will solve nothing. But we want to solve problems. Don't we?

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30-08-2015, 04:08 PM
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(30-08-2015 03:27 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(30-08-2015 02:49 PM)Alla Wrote:  so, please do not judge me - what kind of Christian I am. Jesus said not to judge.
do not preach to me YOUR morality. I do NOT preach to you MY morality.

I respect you for your faith Alla. It is genuine. But your politics are seriously fucked up and in conflict with your faith.
No, they are not. I love people, even evil people. I even love "horrible" atheists and "horrible" liberals.
I just like to challenge people. Sometimes I like to challenge Christians by giving them arguments like if I was an atheist. I like to challenge conservatives by giving them arguments of liberals. I want to know their answers. How do they call it? playing Devil's advocate?
I sound like an angry person. But in reality I am not angry. I am sad. I am sad for what is going on in this world. I wish we all were more united.
I really like to read all your opinions and arguments. Many of them are very good. With some of them I disagree.
Soros is not evil man. I don't know him.
Black Lives Matter is not evil organization. I don't even know its members.
But I know one thing: destruction will never bring Justice and Peace.
I wish we all started to understand each other better. Or at least we can try.

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30-08-2015, 04:15 PM
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(30-08-2015 03:01 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  When your club requires people be a member in order to be eligible for membership, your club isn't exactly a viable one.
Hmm, so far this club "Church of Jesus Christ of LDS" is very, very viable.
Let me tell you the difference between this club and any other clubs.
The owner of this club is PERFECT Man God Son Yahweh. The owners of other clubs are mortal imperfect men.

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